IG-88E wrote:Had I been in the Emperor's place, I would've fired the main gun once, just to show that it worked, then let the fleet do their thing.
Although I never would have allowed the Rebels to access the plans in the first place, that's not the subject.
I would have done everything the Emperor had done, except that I would have implemented contingencies in case the battle on the Forest moon failed.
The Rebel Fleet had to be rooted out and destroyed.
I would have also brought in Admiral Thrawn and ISD Chimaera and kept Executor on the fringe of the battle with interdictors, destroying retreating enemy craft. That behemoth of a ship is undoubtedly a machine of destruction, but with as many star destroyers in the area as there weerre i'd want to free it up a little bit and make up for the difference by using more starfighters and Assault Gunboats.
the DS2 Main gun would have targeted Home One and Luke Skywalker would have been taken far far from the battlefield for indoctrination ater the fact. I feel it would have been easier to turn him after the battle had ended in total victory.
And I would have used a little force precog to help me exterminate indingenous species near my shield generator.
I disagree. Pulling in too many ships would have probably tipped off the Rebels to there being a trap at Endor. The Empire was obviously aware of the presence of the spies, and they had every reason to assume that the Bothans could track significant fleet movements (since the Rebels were so adept at eluding the Imps). I imagine the Endor fleet was cobbled together from across the galaxy, taking a ship here and there from various sector groups that wouldn't be missed. They may have selected ships due for refits or something like that.
In the end, of course, the entire thing came down to rotten luck for the Empire. One twig ruined everything for them.
phongn wrote:There are other ones than that, which corresponds to the MC80 type. Three are clearly visible here. A Home One-type CC is about to be destroyed as well.
Intersting, I see four cruisers and two Nebulon's in that picture.
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phongn wrote:There are other ones than that, which corresponds to the MC80 type. Three are clearly visible here. A Home One-type CC is about to be destroyed as well.
Intersting, I see four cruisers and two Nebulon's in that picture.
To clarify, I meant 3xMC80 + 1xH1 = 4 cruisers. There are some indistinct blobs that are probably corvettes of varying types. Hrm, and there are two bright, blurred lines on the DS2's southern hemisphere that look really out of place.
EDIT: Wait...there are six Nebulon-Bs there and a possible seventh (which may just be superstructure of the DS2, but is too bright)
phongn wrote:There are other ones than that, which corresponds to the MC80 type. Three are clearly visible here. A Home One-type CC is about to be destroyed as well.
Intersting, I see four cruisers and two Nebulon's in that picture.
To clarify, I meant 3xMC80 + 1xH1 = 4 cruisers. There are some indistinct blobs that are probably corvettes of varying types. Hrm, and there are two bright, blurred lines on the DS2's southern hemisphere that look really out of place.
EDIT: Wait...there are six Nebulon-Bs there and a possible seventh (which may just be superstructure of the DS2, but is too bright)
Your right, there are a whole lot of Nebulon-Bs in that picture. Enough of them that I would think they could collectively take on an ISD.
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to the best of my knowledge, the home one was designated the MC-85. There were multiple MC-85s of a design similar to Home One at Endor. All other Mon Cal Cruisers seen were MC-80s. The only models made of the MC-80 for endor were the winged type, such as Liberty, and the wingless type, with no definite canonical names. the eu is rather confusing as to how mon cal cruisers are designated. The excuse is given that no two ships are the same, although we know for a fact that the differences between classes would have to be mostly internal given the many ships seen at endor using exactly the same effects model. no a,b,c or d about it, those were MC80s. the known classes designated a and b were not seen, although it is unclear whether any existed at that time.
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Darth Fanboy wrote:the DS2 Main gun would have targeted Home One and Luke Skywalker would have been taken far far from the battlefield for indoctrination ater the fact. I feel it would have been easier to turn im after the battle had ended in total victory.
The whole idea was to use the dispair and desperation of Skywalker from the death and defeat of his friends to turn him to hate.
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Alyeska wrote:
Intersting, I see four cruisers and two Nebulon's in that picture.
To clarify, I meant 3xMC80 + 1xH1 = 4 cruisers. There are some indistinct blobs that are probably corvettes of varying types. Hrm, and there are two bright, blurred lines on the DS2's southern hemisphere that look really out of place.
EDIT: Wait...there are six Nebulon-Bs there and a possible seventh (which may just be superstructure of the DS2, but is too bright)
Your right, there are a whole lot of Nebulon-Bs in that picture. Enough of them that I would think they could collectively take on an ISD.
At least somebody else has noticed those Neb-Bs as well. Every time I spoke about them everyone shake their head and say: No, no there was just the Redemption...
@phongn: Maybe I didn't wrote it clearly.
There are two wingless type. Along with Saxton, we call only the unique one -the Reef Home- "wingless".
That's the cruiser next to the Home One when the fleet makes it's jump.
phongn wrote:Two wingless types? You sure about that?
Pretty sure! I hope it's not a misunderstand again...
The first type of "wingless" are the MC80s. But we don't call it wingless.
The "true" wingless is the one I mentioned in my previous post.
The body of it is similar to the winged one -like the Liberty- but it has no wings (what a surprise ).
On the other hand it has additional engines (that can be seen very well in the scene when the fleet jumps to hyperspace) and a longer hull plate at the rear, on the top of the engines. That's the Reef Home.
There's only one in the movie like that.
phongn wrote:Two wingless types? You sure about that?
Pretty sure! I hope it's not a misunderstand again...
The first type of "wingless" are the MC80s. But we don't call it wingless.
The "true" wingless is the one I mentioned in my previous post.
The body of it is similar to the winged one -like the Liberty- but it has no wings (what a surprise ).
On the other hand it has additional engines (that can be seen very well in the scene when the fleet jumps to hyperspace) and a longer hull plate at the rear, on the top of the engines. That's the Reef Home.
There's only one in the movie like that.
Reef Home's stern is shown here and it's bow here. This configuration is identical to all of the other wingless cruisers!
A started a count of my own, but I have found some ships I canot classify. (Apart from the so called Y- head.): http://web.axelero.hu/antibor/Rebfleet013b.jpg http://web.axelero.hu/antibor/Rebfleet016b.jpg
A very small ship also can be seen (without visible engine glows) when the rebell fleet enters hyperspace. Ideas?
EDIT: The third ship looks like a transport from the X-wing games to me.
Boba Fett wrote:At least somebody else has noticed those Neb-Bs as well. Every time I spoke about them everyone shake their head and say: No, no there was just the Redemption....
Well I can see a minimum of four Nebulon-B frigates in that scene. We know that the fleet shots don't encompass the entire Rebel fleet because some scenes only show 4 cruisers while others show 6+ cruisers. Its entirely possible that a multi pronged attack was planned from Sullust and that for every two cruisers there were upwards of a dozen other support ships.
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vakundok wrote:A started a count of my own, but I have found some ships I canot classify. (Apart from the so called Y- head.): http://web.axelero.hu/antibor/Rebfleet013b.jpg http://web.axelero.hu/antibor/Rebfleet016b.jpg
A very small ship also can be seen (without visible engine glows) when the rebell fleet enters hyperspace. Ideas?
EDIT: The third ship looks like a transport from the X-wing games to me.
When you watch the whole scene, the camera pans past that third ship, and it looks like a corvette from the side to me.
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Corvette? I talk about that small thing next to the white engine glow, just under the number. (The very end of the close transport is visible.)
I think what you labell as a corvette is actually a dual block of engines on the home one. Are you sure it is a corvette?
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vakundok wrote:Corvette? I talk about that small thing next to the white engine glow, just under the number.
This is a photomosaic of the entire panning shot in that scene, from Saxton. You can clearly see that the ship in question is a Corellian Corvette.
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vakundok wrote:Corvette? I talk about that small thing next to the white engine glow, just under the number.
This is a photomosaic of the entire panning shot in that scene, from Saxton. You can clearly see that the ship in question is a Corellian Corvette.
Yes, you are right. It is really a corvette.
Interesting. When they were shown from the back. there was no ship between the transports and the Home One. Especially not a corvette which is larger than the transports.
Boba Fett wrote:At least somebody else has noticed those Neb-Bs as well. Every time I spoke about them everyone shake their head and say: No, no there was just the Redemption....
Well I can see a minimum of four Nebulon-B frigates in that scene. We know that the fleet shots don't encompass the entire Rebel fleet because some scenes only show 4 cruisers while others show 6+ cruisers. Its entirely possible that a multi pronged attack was planned from Sullust and that for every two cruisers there were upwards of a dozen other support ships.
4? I can see minimum 6. Possibly the 7th is before the DS.
I see 7 sure Neb-Bs and 2 very probable ones.
Since I can't attach any images, I'll just describe where they are.
The sure ones:
1.On the left side in the middle.To the right of the Corvette. In front of the DS.
2. Below the Superlaser dish.Very small but same profile as the first one. Between the Corvette to the left and the two A-Wings to the right. Between the Tie Fighter in front of the dish on top and some capital ship on the bottom of the Neb.
3. Just at the Edge of the DS structure in the bottom right. Between the Interceptor in the bottom middle and an A-Wing to the top and left of the interceptor and Neb.
4& 5. Directly below the Cruiser.
6. To the right of the Cruiser.
7. Below the Millenium Falcon.
The probable ones.
1. To the left of the Cruiser. You can see the 'fins'. This one I'm almost sure of
2. Directly to the top of the Cruiser. Between the Cruiser and the Tie Fighter that is so close to the Camera. You can see an outline (against the Planet that looks similar to a Neb. This one I'm not so sure of.
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