Explaining EU Incidents (esp. Rogue Squadron novels)

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-04-17 09:01pm

A note on the shields: If an ISd is 10 tiems the strength of an Acclamator, and like ISDs an Executor dedicates 25% of it's power to shields, and using the 5 times as powerful quote from the ESB novel as literal, then an Executor class should have 2 petaton shields (overall, smaller for sections and individual projectors of course)

I'm inclinded to believe that there is an eror in assumign that difference between an Acclamator adn an ISD, unless there is a saxton quote to back it on how he scaled the power or something. On the otherhand, 2 PT is still to small to handle 3 ISDs hitting it out of hyperspace, even assuming that they were doing .1 C.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-04-17 09:07pm

Saxton's calcs only tell us shield wattage thresholds, not overall shield capacity.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-04-17 09:22pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Saxton's calcs only tell us shield wattage thresholds, not overall shield capacity.

I didn't base it off his shield numbers, I based it off his peak reactor power.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-04-17 09:30pm

Which just tells us how much energy is produced every second.

How much energy the shield capacitors can absorb before burn-out and shield collapse tells us how much energy beyond the wattage threshold the shields can take.

We don't know that value.

Besides, comparing a transport and a destroyer for power use is probably erronous.

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-04-18 05:28am

Just a note:

To able to withstand the concentrated, incoming fire Solo ordered to rotate the Mon Remonda along her length axis.

That allowed the Mon Remonda to show a fully charged shield profile to the Iron Fist almost all the time while damaged shield parts recharged in the back.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-04-18 04:48pm

Ok, here is how the battle against the Razors Kiss and the Iron First with the Mon-Remonda took place.

The Razors Kiss was forced to make a short jump to calibrate its jump engines. In system is only the Razors Kiss and the Iron Fist. Because of the tracking software on the Razors Kiss the New Republic finds it and with the Mon-Remonda and supporting vessels they begin their attack.

Launching from the Mon Remonda is two squadrons of X-Wings, one squadron of A-Wings, and one squadron of B-Wings.

The Razors Kiss and the Iron Fist angle out of the system. The Mon-Remonda intercepted and took up broadside positioning. Shalla in a captured Tie-Interceptor manages to take out the two shield domes on the Razors Kiss and knock its shields out. The Razors Kiss takes up a flanking position while the Iron First tries to protect it from the Mon-Remonda’s guns. New Republic fighter formation travels past the Iron Fist taking minor casualties. Remaining fighters engage the Razors Kiss and heavily damage it. Assumption: B-Wings fire heavy weapons while Rogue and Wraith squadrons provide strike escort and also fire their torpedoes. A-Wings make precision strikes against anything useful. Iron Fist launches its fighter squadrons. Rogue squadron and A-Wing squadron engage Iron Fist fighters as they come out to lessen their impact. Wraith squadron takes up protective escort of B-Wing squadron. Razors Kiss does not speed back up after having taken flanking position and Iron Fist is forced to slow down. As Iron Fist fighters continue to launch the New Republic fighters engage them as quickly as possible. Confirmed: One X-Wing pilot expended all torpedoes on the Razors Kiss. Assumption: Most X-Wing and B-Wing pilots expended most of their heavy weapons. Mon-Remonda finally reaches blocking position. Han orders the ship fully broadside. All power is placed on shields facing the Iron Fist. Ship is set to rotate to keep shields up and bring fresh weapon batteries into view. As weapon batteries are exhausted to 80% firepower new batteries are to be rotated into view. Mon-Remonda opens fire on the Iron Fist. A second A-Wing squadron arrives as well as a Y-Wing squadron. Remaining B-Wings as well as the newly arriving fighters mass fire on the Razors Kiss. Mon-Remonda’s weapons cause minimal shield damage to Iron Fist. Zsinj states the Iron Fist is outgunned by the Mon-Remonda. Mon-Remonda can bring nearly 50% of its weapons to bear while the Iron Fist is limited to only frontal arc weapons. Iron Fist moves broadside to destroy Mon-Remondas engines. Mon-Remonda looses its engines. Iron Fist brought down to 50% shields due to shield dome destruction. Threat of damage to Iron Fist imminent because remaining New Republic ships can possibly breach shield threshold. Razors Kiss ordered abandoned. Iron Fist orders its fighters to return. Iron Fist moves past Mon-Remonda and both ships exchange fire. HTL batteries on both ships are sufficient in firepower to punch through certain sections of shields and cause moderate hull damage. Remaining New Republic ships still unable to penetrate Iron Fist shields. Iron Fist reaches hyperspace. Razors Kiss suffers catastrophic reactor failure by this point and explodes violently.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-04-18 05:11pm

Er...that's Rogue Squadron: Iron Fist....we already covered that.

I'm talking about Rogue Squadron: Solo Command, when he thinks he destroys the Iron Fist.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-04-18 07:02pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Er...that's Rogue Squadron: Iron Fist....we already covered that.

I'm talking about Rogue Squadron: Solo Command, when he thinks he destroys the Iron Fist.

Those were actually a series of battles and the Iron Fist survives. The only reason it was even threatened was because Solo had a fairly large battle force and got assistance from the Imperials.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-04-19 10:18am

IIRC Solos fleet in the "final" battle with Iron Fist was comprised of several ISD's Several Mon Cal Cruisers including Mon Remonda and their various support frigates and Star Figher carriers. Zsinji's fleet was made up of a few smaller cruisers Lancer or better and three destroyers one SSD (damaged heavily), one ISD, and one VSD.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-04-19 12:33pm

Ah--doesn't sound like explanation is neccessary--Zsinj was simply outfought.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-04-19 05:21pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Ah--doesn't sound like explanation is neccessary--Zsinj was simply outfought.

Pretty much. The Solo Command battles were more or less force on force battles of equal power. In those battles the New Republic forces were actualy playing more conservatively because they didn't want to risk their own ships to greatly. However, in the final battle the New Republic forces managed to bring together a concentrated enough fleet to destroy the Iron Fist. Provided of course that the Iron Fist had let them destroy it. Instead Zisnj used the remains of the Razors Kiss to fake his own death.

The only battle that Allston did that is remotely questionable is the one in Iron Fist, and I already detailed that battle. Upon detailed examination of that battle you can see that it was also not one of those fighters kill capship battles, rather it was a well brought off ambush with combined arms.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-04-19 06:54pm

The battles that were just pure trash happened in "Wraith Squadron".

pg.117: The A-wing pilots would now be shutting down the program that oscillated the energy going to theiir own shields, which had yielded the odd signal Blue Nine had hoped would attract the Implacable. If this all worked, a presumed Millennium Falcon and six or eight X-wings would magically transform, on the Implacable's sensors, to a mere four fighters.

This ploy made a Star Destroyer captain stray from his primary mission goal, in order to use a mile long capital ship to chase a wild goose! Even though that ISD has numerous support craft like assault shuttles and TIE fighters that could have done the job!

pg.374: "Sir, maneuvers?" That was from the man who'd replaced the slain chief pilot.

Trigit gave him a frosty little smile. "Do you see a need for it? When our shields are equally down on all facings and every other craft on the battlefield is faster and more maneuverable than we are?"

"Uh, no sir."

The admiral turned to the main weapons board. "Weapons, is Night Caller destroyed?"

"No sir. We're suffering a sensor malfunction."

"Target her visually, you idiot! We're close enough."

"There's a problem. We can't see her."

Wedge has Correlian Corvette pointed "up" at the Star Destroyer's belly, using the engines to kick up a dust cloud from the moon below it so the ship can't be seen visually, while free to fire directly on the ISD. The ISD commander would rather sit right over the moon and do absolutely nothing while being blasted to pieces!

pg.376: The larger ship's gunners were doubtlessly aiming at the source of the turbolaser barrages. "Lieutenant, we're going backward, relative ascent. We'll keep movement constant but unpredictable--and keep up our random firing. No constant fire. Understood?"

More of Wedge the tactical genius. It's amazing how he knows the Imps will be too stupid to TARGET THE BILLOWING DUST CLOUD. What a fucked up book.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-04-19 10:55pm

Trigit is worthless traitor scum to the Empire. His pitiful qualities as a commander are no matter to the Imperium.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-04-19 10:57pm

That has to be the HUGEST mark against Allston. It's almost damning, but Stackpole and KJA were allowed to pen a few titles.

I thought that manuver was utter shit though. That was the stupidest part of any book. That' why I only read Solo Command and Starfighters of Adumar when I read X-Wing novels.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-04-19 11:18pm

Cal Wright wrote:That has to be the HUGEST mark against Allston. It's almost damning, but Stackpole and KJA were allowed to pen a few titles.

I thought that manuver was utter shit though. That was the stupidest part of any book. That' why I only read Solo Command and Starfighters of Adumar when I read X-Wing novels.

Iron Fist was also quite good. Furthermore Stackpole didn't do any unrealistic battles.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-04-20 01:55am

Alyeska wrote:
Cal Wright wrote:That has to be the HUGEST mark against Allston. It's almost damning, but Stackpole and KJA were allowed to pen a few titles.

I thought that manuver was utter shit though. That was the stupidest part of any book. That' why I only read Solo Command and Starfighters of Adumar when I read X-Wing novels.
Iron Fist was also quite good. Furthermore Stackpole didn't do any unrealistic battles.

=snicker= Really? Then I guess you didn't read "Bacta War".

Mitth`raw`nuruodo · Post by **Mitth`raw`nuruodo** » 2003-04-20 01:58am

Just wondering, how do you really define "unrealistic battle" when talking about a book based on a non-existent (as far as we know) universe?

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-04-20 04:27am

Mitth'raw'nuruodo wrote:Just wondering, how do you really define "unrealistic battle" when talking about a book based on a non-existent (as far as we know) universe?

Do you understand the concept of "suspension of disbelief" or do you just enjoy acting retarded?

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-04-20 05:00am

You have to overlook GAT. Besides, who penned the Lusankya lifting off from Coruscant. The only thing that holds true to Star Wars is the immense size of everything. A ship that big leaving a planet, and the idea that Palpatine Force Mind Tricked that many people to keep it covered up.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-04-20 09:52am

Palpy didn't neccessarially Mind Trick every one who lived near where Lusankya. There was also the suggestion that he simply rounded up and killed anyone one in the area.