Who would end up banging Jania?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-18 12:23am

No, unfortunately I think that she's goin' with Kyp. After all, she would be a heck of a peace offering. Her union with Kyp would be a concrete symbol of a Jedi Order that had gotten past its petty squabbles and was now ready to kick some YV ass, instead of running away whenever they see the slightest hint of a bio-ship.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-09-18 12:32am

I don't know, I got the impression from recent events in the series that Luke finally has Kyp under control, and although Jaina may have forgiven Kyp partially for not telling her about the true nature of the Jedi offensive against the Vong worldship in Rebirth, I don't think she'll ever forgive him completely. In any case, Destiny's Way is supposed to reveal the fates of both of the twins, so we'll have an answer soon enough.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-18 12:36am

Durran Korr wrote:I don't know, I got the impression from recent events in the series that Luke finally has Kyp under control, and although Jaina may have forgiven Kyp partially for not telling her about the true nature of the Jedi offensive against the Vong worldship in Rebirth, I don't think she'll ever forgive him completely. In any case, Destiny's Way is supposed to reveal the fates of both of the twins, so we'll have an answer soon enough.

Excellent. Destiny's Way. But don't you think they've set her up as the perfect object to be handed over in exchange for peace? The fact that Luke and Kyp finally kissed and made up indicates to me that they are setting her up to be the gift.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-09-18 12:40am

I suppose that's possible, but I don't think Jaina would be very happy with the decision. Poor Jaina, this is twice she's been set up for a political marriage, first to a guy who wanted to marry her mother, and now to Kyp...

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-18 12:43am

Durran Korr wrote:I suppose that's possible, but I don't think Jaina would be very happy with the decision. Poor Jaina, this is twice she's been set up for a political marriage, first to a guy who wanted to marry her mother, and now to Kyp...

Hmmm... Well, what's she gonna marry for? Love?

Yeah, I guess she could go off and marry Jag (actually, she doesn't need to marry him, if you know what I mean

), but I don't think that's where they're going with this. I know it sucks, but I think all the stars are aligning themselves for a cop-out. Incidentally, in having her marry Kyp, they would also be removing her best attribute, which has been her strength and refusal to become mainstreamed like her brothers into stupid little Force philosophies. If she was a guy, I would say that it would be emasculating her but.... she's not. Oh well.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-09-18 02:26am

She'll go with Jag, and it will help the Repbulic or whatever they go by now unite with the Chiss. There. boo yah. Fuck the NJO I have the problems already solved.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2002-09-18 03:17am

Actually I think we're generally ignoring a few simple facts.

1.) Kyp Durron is a KJA character. As is Zekk (Young Jedi Knights.) This alone is enough to merit them for death.

2.) Since the KJA debacle, we've seen trends of other EU others consistently attempting to "correct" the damage he's done to the EU- most notably Stackpole and Zahn. Getting Mara away from Lando, getting rid of Daala, getting rid of Qwi, etc...

3.) Generally speaking, Kyp is long overdue for a serious killing. I'm praying that the EU authors are plotting something suitably horrible. Then at last the final, terrible blemish of the KJA cancer will be expunged.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-09-18 11:57am

Connor MacLeod wrote: 3.) Generally speaking, Kyp is long overdue for a serious killing. I'm praying that the EU authors are plotting something suitably horrible. Then at last the final, terrible blemish of the KJA cancer will be expunged.

Except they aren't allowed to kill him. Hence why Anakin bought it instead. Denning said in the interview that "Kyp was a very lucky man".

Maybe he'll bite it in the future, but I doubt it.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-09-18 01:51pm

I am new to the EU and haven't familiarized myself with KJA's work yet; can someone explain to me what's so bad about his additions to the EU? I'm just asking out of curiosity.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-09-18 04:24pm

It's utyer shit! Utter shit! I swear I lost 25 IQ points after reading Darksaber.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-18 06:37pm

Durran Korr wrote:I am new to the EU and haven't familiarized myself with KJA's work yet; can someone explain to me what's so bad about his additions to the EU? I'm just asking out of curiosity.

He is the only SW writer who I have considered consistently weak. Stackpole has his books (many of which are actually quite good--he's just inconsistent), Kathy Tyers is only okay, but KJA repeatedly ignores canon material in pursuit of a story. Here's a link to an article written in parody of him:

http://www.daltonator.net/fanfics/essays/guide.txt

It is very funny, because it is all true. He never presents moral dillemas. He never does anything but build superweapons. He never watches the movie. He never crafts deep and interesting characters. His stories are simplistic. His writing style is decent, but because his characters tend to be weak and one-dimensional the stories lose their interest rapidly, and he never writes on any sort of symbollic level, whatsoever. There are some other problems, too, but those are the ones he has most often.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-09-18 09:11pm

My favorite KJA antic is how he overturned 6 issues of Jedi vs Sith for a single short story in Gamer that came out literally 3 weeks befor the last issue of JvsS.

He screwed over a bunch of people and alot of effort to write an utterly crap story. (Bane goes from apprentice to full blown Master in a day, just by using that holocron. Sure :rolleyes: )

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2002-09-18 10:30pm

jag sould go with jaina. but wait

what if Jansen marrys her?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-18 10:46pm

Admiral Drason wrote:jag sould go with jaina. but wait what if Jansen marrys her?

I don't think Janson wants to. Remember what he said about that in Rebel Stand?

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2002-09-18 10:57pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:I am new to the EU and haven't familiarized myself with KJA's work yet; can someone explain to me what's so bad about his additions to the EU? I'm just asking out of curiosity.
He is the only SW writer who I have considered consistently weak. Stackpole has his books (many of which are actually quite good--he's just inconsistent), Kathy Tyers is only okay, but KJA repeatedly ignores canon material in pursuit of a story. Here's a link to an article written in parody of him:

http://www.daltonator.net/fanfics/essays/guide.txt

It is very funny, because it is all true. He never presents moral dillemas. He never does anything but build superweapons. He never watches the movie. He never crafts deep and interesting characters. His stories are simplistic. His writing style is decent, but because his characters tend to be weak and one-dimensional the stories lose their interest rapidly, and he never writes on any sort of symbollic level, whatsoever. There are some other problems, too, but those are the ones he has most often.

LOL, that is funny....luckily I haven't read any of his stories

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-09-19 12:36am

Ok, her brother as a result of some strange evil vong plot.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-19 12:39am

THe Yosemite Bear wrote:Ok, her brother as a result of some strange evil vong plot.

Bad times.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-09-19 01:03am

Um...what? Jacen is no longer in the grasp of the YV. In Traitor he and Vergere escape to wreak havoc on the unsuspecting galaxy (or something along those lines).

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-19 01:04am

Darth Yoshi wrote:Um...what? Jacen is no longer in the grasp of the YV. In Traitor he and Vergere escape to wreak havoc on the unsuspecting galaxy (or something along those lines).

I don't really know what's going on with Vergere. Perhaps she even has another layer of character that has not yet been revealed.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-09-19 01:07am

True. Vergere is a tough one to understand. Even after reading Traitor I'm still not sure what side she's on.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-09-19 03:51am

Good grief how old IS vergere I remeber reading a reference to her in a Star Wars book written about Obi Wan and his 10 or 11 year old apprentice Anakin

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-09-19 05:22am

Darth Yoshi wrote:True. Vergere is a tough one to understand. Even after reading Traitor I'm still not sure what side she's on.

Her own,

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-19 10:29am

Typhonis 1 wrote:Good grief how old IS vergere I remeber reading a reference to her in a Star Wars book written about Obi Wan and his 10 or 11 year old apprentice Anakin

Yes, she was a Jedi during the time of the terrible book Rogue Planet. Her species appears to live longer than humans do.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-09-19 11:06am

Darth Yoshi wrote:Um...what? Jacen is no longer in the grasp of the YV. In Traitor he and Vergere escape to wreak havoc on the unsuspecting galaxy (or something along those lines).

I'm not sure what happens to Vergere, but Jacen is back with the New Republic (or the new Rebel Alliance, if that's what you want to call it) in Ylesia.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-09-20 01:45am

Sorry I was just going for sick and remote, besides what would SW be without incest jokes.