Imperial Remnant Citizens

[RogueIce]

Illuminatus, Horseshit? Yeah maybe, it's been a while...but I'm pretty sure I had a WTF moment when I read that he was a civilian, since I always assumed Moffs were military. But, I can't find my book, so I'll shut up about it for now.

Its alright, I'd just like the citation. If you ARE correct, then we have an interesting contradiction to fix.

*drags out books*

I didn't feel like going through my SotP book, but here's DT2 for ya:

"Good point." The younger man gathered his hands at the small of his back. "Bastion's forces will be glad to join you. I am still a reservist. If you require my service, I am certain my administration can function in my absence."

So, evidently, things have changed in the IR. And, at least at this stage of the game, it is Pallaeon who commands the fleet:

"As always I find your commentary and advice useful, my moffs, but I must remind you that I command Imperial space. I summoned you to this meeting not to seek your advice, but to warn you. ..."

Evidently, a lot has changed since the Galactic Civil War. But since I never read the rest of the NJO beyond Star by Star I have no idea if this lasted or not. *shrug*

[Publius]

Interestingly enough, the Imperial Sourcebook itself refers to Moff and Grand Moff Governors as civilians; its fourth chapter comments that "civilian orders are now transmitted at the level of the Sector Group, from regional Moffs, Grand Moffs, or the Emperor himself". It is possible that for legal purposes Moff and Grand Moff Governors are simultaneously considered both civilians and military/naval officers, despite these categories being mutually exclusive. This would explain why they are referred to as civilians but wear commissioned officers' duty uniforms and rank insignia.

The Imperial remnants appeared to have preserved the Palpatinist system as late as Specter of the Past and Vision of the Future; FADM Pellaeon referred to Moff Disra as a civilian. At that time, the Moff Council appeared to be ascendant over the Supreme Commander. Several years later, in Dark Tide II: Ruin, Moff Sarreti refers to himself as a reservist and GADM Pellaeon asserts his own superiority over the Moff Council, the very same body that raised the question of removing him from Supreme Command in Specter of the Past.

If one accepts that the Palpatinist system had Moff and Grand Moff Governors straddling the line between civilians and military/naval personnel, then Moff Sarreti's statement of being a reservist could very well explain how FADM Pellaeon gained supremacy over the Moff Council. Under the Palpatinist system, civilians (the Galactic Emperor and his court) selected individuals to become promagistrates, whereas the Pellaeonist system probably has a naval officer selecting these individuals. FADM Pellaeon may have been able to "pack" the Moff Council à la Franklin Roosevelt with individuals who "dodge" the dual status of Palpatinist promagistrates by being purely military/naval officers and are therefore ''de jure'' subject to his authority as Supreme Commander.

This is mere idle speculation, of course, with no evidentiary support. It is an ad hoc explanation, and should be taken as such. It would be rather easier to simply prefer the filmic evidence showing Moff and Grand Moff Governors to be military/naval officers.

PUBLIUS

[Illuminatus Primus]

I stand corrected on the Imperial Sourcebook. I need to browse my copy rather than rely on memory.

[Pcm979]

Why does there need to have been any change between HoT & YV-era Imperial policies? I don't think it unusual that the Moffs have the ability to 'impeach' the head of state. In addition, Pellaeon made it clear that he was doing the Moffs a favour by consulting them about surrendering IIRC.

Of course, the Moff Council may have been politically harmed by Disra's treason and subsequent downfall...

[His Divine Shadow]

Illuminatus, Horseshit? Yeah maybe, it's been a while...but I'm pretty sure I had a WTF moment when I read that he was a civilian, since I always assumed Moffs were military. But, I can't find my book, so I'll shut up about it for now.

Its alright, I'd just like the citation. If you ARE correct, then we have an interesting contradiction to fix.

In real life militaries there are civilians who do hold military rank.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Illuminatus, Horseshit? Yeah maybe, it's been a while...but I'm pretty sure I had a WTF moment when I read that he was a civilian, since I always assumed Moffs were military. But, I can't find my book, so I'll shut up about it for now.

Its alright, I'd just like the citation. If you ARE correct, then we have an interesting contradiction to fix.

In real life militaries there are civilians who do hold military rank.

Cite example.

[His Divine Shadow]

Do you see Darth Wong's warwolves signature? See his rank? PSAO, Permanent Staff Administrative Officer, a civilian liasion ranked as a Captain I believe it is.

[PainRack]

Its alright, I'd just like the citation. If you ARE correct, then we have an interesting contradiction to fix.

In real life militaries there are civilians who do hold military rank.

Cite example.

Actually, adminstrative staff, while civilian in nature usually hold a rank bestown to them by the military.

Similarly, doctors dragooned in by the military are usually promoted to officers.

[His Divine Shadow]

Yes, I am reminded of the MASH 4077th for example