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It reminds me vaguely of a weapon carried by a "heavy trooper" in the LucasArts game Force Commander (in that game, the weapon was classified as a anti-armor blaster.) I am kind of inclined to agree with Ossus.

Another possibility is that it might be something along the lines of an Espo "Riot Gun" (from the Han Solo adventures novels), which was also noted to be both powerful and have a very wide aperture.) However, that sort of weapon isn't used for anti-armor roles, though.
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CSA Sourcebook wrote:Riot guns are two-handed, short-barrelled, compact blaster rifles. They have a large ammo capacity, but aren't particularly accurate. Espos often use them on constant-fire mode.

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Skill: Blaster: riot gun
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Cost: 1,500
Availability: 2, R
Range: 3-30/100/300
Damage: 5D+1
Game Notes: On constant-fire mode, each "shot" fires five blasts; holding the trigger down will fire six "shots" per round. In game terms, once a shot hits in a round, all following shots at the same or immediately adjacent targets (within one meter) are one difficulty level lower. With this type of firing mode, it is much easier to shoot down a row of stormtroopers or other targets.
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I would've liked that filmed scene to be included- I'm always happy to see Stormtroopers kicking arse.
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Darth Wong wrote:Actually, one other possibility comes to mind. Perhaps it's an ion cannon. The Jawa ionization blasters had really big apertures too.
So does the DEMP-2, which is a similar weapon.
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Darth Wong wrote:Remember the high-res picture I posted of the big Rebel automatic weapon a little while ago? Here's another new picture of a Rebel infantry weapon. Not as high-res, but still enough to determine a few things. It has a very large aperture; much larger than normal Imperial weapons. Any ideas as to what it is?

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Darth Wong wrote:It has a very large aperture; much larger than normal Imperial weapons. Any ideas as to what it is?
I am firmly convinced that it's NOT a blaster, for the following reason:

Don't blasters use tibanna gas as ammunition? From what I've seen of the unidentified Rebel weapon, it doesn't have much space for storage of tibanna gas.
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Coolent, not ammo. Blaster ammunition are energy packs.
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The blaster from ROTJ. Seems to share some similarities, especially what looks like the wide aperture. And it does fire so you know it's a blaster.
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Darth Wong wrote:Actually, one other possibility comes to mind. Perhaps it's an ion cannon. The Jawa ionization blasters had really big apertures too.
So does the DEMP-2, which is a similar weapon.
IIRC, The DEMP guns were invented around the time of The Truce At Bakura (right after Battle of Endor), and weren't available during the time of Hoth.
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The Imperial Sourcebook describes the use of DEMP guns, and that's set shortly after the Battle of Yavin.
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Peregrin Toker wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:It has a very large aperture; much larger than normal Imperial weapons. Any ideas as to what it is?
I am firmly convinced that it's NOT a blaster, for the following reason:

Don't blasters use tibanna gas as ammunition? From what I've seen of the unidentified Rebel weapon, it doesn't have much space for storage of tibanna gas.
What are you talking about, a hand blaster has less internal volume than that and some how they're able to have Tibanna gas in them.

As for the large apiture, it could be something as simple as a shroud around the actual emitter. Han Solo's blaster has a cone shaped, perferated, shroud around his.
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It looks vaguely similar to the wide- muzzled weapons carried by stormtroopers in ANH, when they're marching towards the docking bay where the Falcon was waiting. Wasn't that a light repeating blaster or something like that?
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I believe that was a heavy repeating blaster.
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I believe that was a heavy repeating blaster.
No, heavy repeaters are stuff like E-Webs. the T-21 is a light repeater,
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Heavy Repeating Blaster
The “E-Web” heavy repeating blaster takes its name from “Emplacement Weapon, Heavy Blaster.” As indicated by its name, the E-Web was designed for use in small- and medium-sized unit gun emplacements. Heavy enough to provide devastating fire, the EWHB-10 can also be carried on maneuvers by its two-man crew. It can be set-up as needed in temporary emplacements by an experienced crew in 15 minutes. If necessary, it can be moved already assembled on its tripod mount, although this is not recommended procedure.

The weapon comes with a high-demand portable Eksoan power unit and is fitted with the Gk3 Cryocooler for continuous fire capability. The limited fire control system includes Starvision and IR sensing for night targeting and unusual environments. A built-in corn unit enables the crew to coordinate fire with other E-Web emplacements if command communica-tion channels should become disabled.

The original E-Web was a joint venture by Blas-Tech and Merr-Sonn and both companies’ versions of the weapon received wide distribution throughout the Imperial military, as well as less "official" military groups. Both companies are beginning to develop variants on this popular weapon.

Heavy Repeating Blaster
Model: Merr-Sonn EWHB-1() "E-Web"
Type: Two-man heavy repeating blaster
Scale: Character
Skill: Blaster: repeating blaster
Ammo: Power generator only
Cost: 5,000
Availability: 2, X
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Damage: 8D
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Probably some sort of heavy blaster or ion cannon.

And is it just me, or does the very first picture Wong posed seem to show a slightly bending barrel?
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Darth Wong wrote:Remember the high-res picture I posted of the big Rebel automatic weapon a little while ago? Here's another new picture of a Rebel infantry weapon. Not as high-res, but still enough to determine a few things. It has a very large aperture; much larger than normal Imperial weapons. Any ideas as to what it is?

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That's obviously part of the Rebel camera crew.
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Knife wrote: What are you talking about, a hand blaster has less internal volume than that and some how they're able to have Tibanna gas in them.
The unidentified Rebel weapon probably fires far more powerful shots than a hand blaster and therefore requires much more tibanna gas.
As for the large apiture, it could be something as simple as a shroud around the actual emitter. Han Solo's blaster has a cone shaped, perferated, shroud around his.
The shroud around Han Solo's blaster only covers the muzzle - this one has a large apiture around it all and generally looks more like a grenade launcher than a blaster.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Coolent, not ammo. Blaster ammunition are energy packs.
As for energy packs, a weapon apparently as powerful as the unidentified support weapon probably need rather large energy packs, and I can't see such on the scans.
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Look at my picture. It has the characteristics you describe, and it's still a blaster.
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neoolong wrote:Look at my picture. It has the characteristics you describe, and it's still a blaster.
There are notable differences - the weapon from Hoth looks like little more than a barrel with a pistol grip mounted, something which cannot be said of the blaster used by the barge guard.
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It gets blockier at the end though.

Besides, I said that the characteristics you described before, large barrel, etc. are also inherent in the other weapon. Not that they were exactly the same.
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Peregrin Toker wrote:The unidentified Rebel weapon probably fires far more powerful shots than a hand blaster and therefore requires much more tibanna gas.
Thus it's rather greater volume over a hand blaster. Your argument just went a complete circle. Its bigger than a hand blaster, which is big enough to have tabanna gas in it, and because of its larger size (and perhaps larger amount of tabanna gas) is probably more powerful than a hand blaster.
The shroud around Han Solo's blaster only covers the muzzle - this one has a large apiture around it all and generally looks more like a grenade launcher than a blaster.
The shround around Han's blaster covers a significant portion of the overall barrel. This weapon seems to have a shroud that extends back to the reciever. The point is is that other SW weapons have a flash supressor looking shroud around the emiter or barrel or what ever.
As for energy packs, a weapon apparently as powerful as the unidentified support weapon probably need rather large energy packs, and I can't see such on the scans.
Its possible that it sacrifices total amount of shots firerable for a higher power shot. Or perhaps it has a limited amount of high power shots incorperated on a onboard power source but by connecting it to a external source, you can increase power or volume of fire. *just throwing some suggestions out*
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neoolong wrote:It gets blockier at the end though.

Besides, I said that the characteristics you described before, large barrel, etc. are also inherent in the other weapon. Not that they were exactly the same.
Using this logic, a shark and a dolphin are the same because they look like each other.

Knife wrote:Its bigger than a hand blaster, which is big enough to have tabanna gas in it, and because of its larger size (and perhaps larger amount of tabanna gas) is probably more powerful than a hand blaster.
On the unidentified weapon, the size difference between the barrel and the rest of the weapon is much larger than on a hand blaster.
This weapon seems to have a shroud that extends back to the reciever.
Any proof that it is a shroud, and that the weapon doesn't just have an enormous barrel?
Its possible that it sacrifices total amount of shots firerable for a higher power shot. Or perhaps it has a limited amount of high power shots incorperated on a onboard power source but by connecting it to a external source, you can increase power or volume of fire.
Such an external power source isn't seen IIRC.
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Peregrin Toker wrote: On the unidentified weapon, the size difference between the barrel and the rest of the weapon is much larger than on a hand blaster.
Thats the point. You commented that you couldn't figure out where the Tibanna gas was suppost to go. Now you comment that the barrel area is much bigger than that of a hand blaster.

If a handblaster can find room for the gas, the larger volume of the shown weapon definately has room for the gas.
Any proof that it is a shroud, and that the weapon doesn't just have an enormous barrel?
Look close, the first three inches or so is thicker than the rest of the barrel indicating it is a seperate piece than the barrel area.
Such an external power source isn't seen IIRC.
True, like I said, I was just throwing out some ideas but we do have instances of exteral power sources for larger weapons like the Eweb.
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Peregrin Toker wrote:
neoolong wrote:It gets blockier at the end though.

Besides, I said that the characteristics you described before, large barrel, etc. are also inherent in the other weapon. Not that they were exactly the same.
Using this logic, a shark and a dolphin are the same because they look like each other.
No, because I didn't say they were the same. I said that characterisitics exist between each, therefore saying that a certain characteristic means it is not a blaster doesn't work because the same characteristic exists in a weapon that is a blaster. It is thus, not sufficient to say that it isn't one as well.
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