Do filmed but cut scenes also count as canon?

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-01-29 02:32am

Why was Vader choking Jerjerrod?

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-01-29 03:16am

Vympel wrote:Why was Vader choking Jerjerrod?

I think the better question is, why wasn't Vader choking Jerjerrod.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-01-29 03:30am

Because Jerjerod wouldn't allow Vader to go to the Emperor's throne room.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-01-29 03:56am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Because Jerjerod wouldn't allow Vader to go to the Emperor's throne room.

That's ... dumb. Why would he try and stop him?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-01-29 04:03am

Because Palpatine wanted Vader to stay on Executor. Jerjerod was obaying his orders, telling Vader that he wasn't allowed up there.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-01-29 04:08am

Vympel wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Because Jerjerod wouldn't allow Vader to go to the Emperor's throne room.
That's ... dumb. Why would he try and stop him?

Dude, there's a reason it's a deleted scene.

Maybe Jerjerod was told by the Emperor 'no visitors' and followed that order, even though Vader would likely be exempt? Vader hasn't exactly shown much patience with people. It's easier to just choke someone who gets in your face rather than try diplomacy.

Or, maybe, he was a dumbarse and had a death wish.

[edit] Or maybe he did what Spanky said he did.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-01-29 04:50am

Spanky is correct, it is in the novelisation.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-01-29 07:16am

Ok that's the first picture, but what about the one next to it?

What is that red lumpish thing to the right, and who is the Royal Guard pointing his pike at?

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2004-01-29 07:56am

Its actually a remnant from the first drafts of the ROTJ scripts. Originally, Jerjerrod was to be the main villain, the way Tarkin was in ANH--Jerjerrod and the Emperor were scheming together to kill Vader and userp him with Luke. Vader realizes this and storms to his masters palace on coruscant in a mad rage--Jerjerrod tries to stop him and Vader chokes him to death.

The whole Vader-Jerjerrod rivalry doesnt come across in the final film, but its just a final remant from the orginal scripst where they were both competing for the Emperors loyalty.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-01-29 08:28am

zombie84 wrote:Its actually a remnant from the first drafts of the ROTJ scripts. Originally, Jerjerrod was to be the main villain, the way Tarkin was in ANH--Jerjerrod and the Emperor were scheming together to kill Vader and userp him with Luke. Vader realizes this and storms to his masters palace on coruscant in a mad rage--Jerjerrod tries to stop him and Vader chokes him to death.

The whole Vader-Jerjerrod rivalry doesnt come across in the final film, but its just a final remant from the orginal scripst where they were both competing for the Emperors loyalty.

Sounds better than the ROTJ plot, but then again that's not hard- it is the worst of the OT.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-01-29 08:30am

Heh.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-01-29 08:33am

Vympel wrote:*snip image*
Heh.

I ... don't know. I just... wha-?

I find it absurdly humourous for some reason.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-01-29 08:44am

It's the Crix Madine action figure head that has somehow made it into the picture that's the funny part.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-01-29 08:49am

Vympel wrote:It's the Crix Madine action figure head that has somehow made it into the picture that's the funny part.

That, and his "yeehah" joyride expression.

Where the hell did you get this?

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-01-29 09:14am

Vympel wrote:Ok that's the first picture, but what about the one next to it?

What is that red lumpish thing to the right, and who is the Royal Guard pointing his pike at?

I don't know what the red thing is, but the guards held thier staffs in Vader's direction, who is not seen in the second picture. Veder nearly choked Jejerrod to death before he released him to wait that the Emperor grants him entrance.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-01-29 09:19am

Vympel wrote:
zombie84 wrote:Its actually a remnant from the first drafts of the ROTJ scripts. Originally, Jerjerrod was to be the main villain, the way Tarkin was in ANH--Jerjerrod and the Emperor were scheming together to kill Vader and userp him with Luke. Vader realizes this and storms to his masters palace on coruscant in a mad rage--Jerjerrod tries to stop him and Vader chokes him to death.

The whole Vader-Jerjerrod rivalry doesnt come across in the final film, but its just a final remant from the orginal scripst where they were both competing for the Emperors loyalty.
Sounds better than the ROTJ plot, but then again that's not hard- it is the worst of the OT.

And that bit of final renment of the rivalry was brought in the book as basically an Unknown captain blocking the doorway...only the deleted scenes has it be Jerjerrod.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-01-29 09:22am

don't know what the red thing is,

Judging from the Madine picture, it could be an action figure. It certainly looks plastic.

Where the hell did you get this?

Playing with the URL of the images of Vader choking Jerjerrod.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-01-29 10:41am

The cut scene archive

There you can find it all.

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2004-01-29 02:11pm

T Bone's cut scene site is the authoritative source of info as far as i'm concerned.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-01-29 02:14pm

The red thing looks like the arm of an Imperial Royal Guard action figure, scanned from the Action Figure Archive book.

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