Howedar wrote:Scratch that, I was thinking pre-escape. If they were captured onboard the MF before they killed anyone. Obviously that was not the case.
What? Are you forgetting about the Falcon's not-quite-legal accoutrements, like the massive weapons or the smuggling compartments they'd find their prisoners in?
Yes, I was forgetting about that. That's what I just said
Luke was a dumbass, plain and simple. He didn't think to take it along.
In the EU it's said (when Luke's in a trash compactor again) that he couldn't hope to cut through the walls in time to save himself before being crushed, but the point is he wouldn't have to do that, just carve a hole in the side hatch and then use the Force to "push out" the weakened circle/square area he just carved.
If his saber was going to "get all wet and not work" remember that just after this (in Splinter of the Mind's Eye) he uses the same saber underwater and it works just fine.
Sure Luke isn't that familiar with a saber, he only swings it around a bit for fun and tries to block shots from a remote. To him it was more like a "oh wow this Jedi stuff is kinda neat" hobby type thing. He doesn't even seriously use the Force until the end of the movie.
The lightsaber is conveniently forgotten for plot's sake, but perhaps in Luke's mind it just was something he was messing around with, not something he seriously thought would be useful (and he was a bit stupid about it too, but you get the idea). In battle it would have been fairly pointless, since I doubt he'd be standing there blocking the shots of all those Stormtroopers (plus it would make his eventual use of the Force a little more anticlimatic).
Howedar wrote:Scratch that, I was thinking pre-escape. If they were captured onboard the MF before they killed anyone. Obviously that was not the case.
What? Are you forgetting about the Falcon's not-quite-legal accoutrements, like the massive weapons or the smuggling compartments they'd find their prisoners in?
Yes, I was forgetting about that. That's what I just said
Oops, I read Rogue 9's "cell block" thing.
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Kurgan wrote:Luke was a dumbass, plain and simple. He didn't think to take it along.
Why should he have? He had no practical way of taking it, no skill with it at all, and it would have likely gotten him executed had he been caught with it. In short there was no good reason to take it and a hell of a lot of reasons to leave it behind.
Comosicus wrote:Could he have the lightsaber underneath the stormtrooper armor? If so, maybe it was too difficult to take it.
I doubt you could fit a lightsaber under stormtrooper armor with out looking odd.
1- He didn't know how to use it or what it could really do yet.
2- Ben told him not to take it with him.
Ben should have known Vader would have sensed Ben. It would make sense for Vader to say 'if you spot someone with a lightsaber on his belt, report it to me immediately'. After all, Ben COULD have had an apprentice (when dealing with mystic orders, always assume an apprentice)
Imagine if Luke had taken it, the Stormies had spotted it under Vaders ordered an called in 'Sir! Someone with a lightsaber just broke the Princess out of her cell and is trying to get off the Death Star!"
Vader moves down to the Falcon, waits at the ramp, Luke and Co arrive, Ben can't save luke, and the galaxy is royalled fucked.
No, it's simple. Just empty out the "Thermal Detonator" case and plunk the saber hilt in there. It wouldn't look that out of place, just use a little duct tape.
There's lots of ways he could lug it around, the point is it would be useful as a tool, not necessarily as a weapon. They knew they'd have to free a prisoner, so it could be useful for cutting open a cell. Additionally for cutting binders off, or for opening locked doors, etc.
Then again, he could have had Chewie hide it in his fur!
Rogue 9 wrote:That's another thing. That's an ammo bandoleer Chewie wears, right? Wouldn't that kind of thing seem out of place on a prisoner?
I assume you're referring to the "let's pretend Chewie is a wookiee prisoner so we can sneak into the prison cell block" scene? If so, then it was obvious that the prison watch commander was suspicious, perhaps due to the fact the wookiee had an ammo bandoleer.
The possibility remans that the Imps just don't know anything about the wookiees, and just assumed it was "fashion." Also, being escorted by 2 stormtroopers might have made it seem Chewie was not a threat.
(Y'know, I never considered it an ammo case, I always thought it was a tool "belt" - I mean we see him repairing the Falcon at times, it makes sense doesn't it? Or am I just nuts?)
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It's an ammo bandoleer with a tool pouch at the end near his hip.
Ah! I thought I wasn't dreaming that last part.
Tell me though, do we ever see Chewie load his bowcaster (I assume that is what the ammo is for)? Is the ammunition a bunch of power packs to power the weapon, or is it actual "quarrels" to go with the crossbow look?
Even if Luke did have it with him, he probably couldn't use it properly. If he had to melt the door in a manner similar to Qui-Gon at Naboo, he wouldn't be skilled enough with the Force to handle it. In order to comfortably survive that ordeal, Qui-Gon had to be using the Force to handle the heat of the melting door only centimeters from his bare hands.
Chances are at ANH Luke didn't even know that was possible.
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Qui was slowly melting through a heavy blast door while the guy on the other side was closing a second door on him to slow his progress (and the saber was stuck inside).
Luke would only need to cut a shape to weaken it enough and then kick it out or something like that. Likewise he wouldn't need to worry about "using the force to protect his hands from the heat" because he's wearing Stormtrooper armor, which (I would assume) would provide some thermal protection for the task. Plus he was near water, he could always just cool of his hands ever so often if necessary during the task.
Good point about Chewie's ammo belt. ; )
If the TD thing isn't a case, then just remove the TD itself and clip the saber hilt on there. How many Imperial officers are going to be staring at a Trooper's butt at all times to make sure his TD is really a TD and not something else similarly shaped? (then again, maybe that's an open question)
Howedar wrote:I very much doubt Luke was carrying it around. If he was, it was stuck up his ass or something because we didn't see it on his belt once he shed the Stormtrooper armor.
Then we must ask ourselves, why he hadn't taken it with him, when exiting the Falcon.
Probably because the weapon would have definatally broken his cover.
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Ghost Rider wrote:And we don't know from the films whether they have the classic quarrel look...possibly one of the other books may have more insight on the matter.
Didn't he shoot it in RotJ at a scout trooper? Is there a good enough view to see the shape?
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vakundok wrote:Emm, the stormtrooper armor Luke used did not have that cylindrical pack on its back and I doubt Han would have carried that ancient thingy for him.
Perhaps there is an internal storage compartment in the armour.
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Ghost Rider wrote:And we don't know from the films whether they have the classic quarrel look...possibly one of the other books may have more insight on the matter.
Didn't he shoot it in RotJ at a scout trooper? Is there a good enough view to see the shape?
Nope...basically it resembles a blaster bolt.
Also never saw him reload the sucker either.
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