do Jedi smoke?

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2004-02-18 11:40pm

I wouldn't be surprised if people in the SW galaxy smoked and did drugs. The dangers of smoking being clear hasn't stopped people from doing it on earth, after all. They could have advanced and effective measures for stopping addiction, though.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-02-18 11:53pm

An advanced culture like the SW galaxy might even have technology that reduces or eliminates smoking risks.

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-02-19 03:47am

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if people in the SW galaxy smoked and did drugs. The dangers of smoking being clear hasn't stopped people from doing it on earth, after all. They could have advanced and effective measures for stopping addiction, though.

Drugs indeed exist, as we can see in the cantina in AotC: the Death Sticks.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-02-19 03:55am

You guys crack me up.

I guess I should write up that Bendu/Bindu thing after all! ; )

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2004-02-19 03:56am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:If you're suggesting that Tusken Raiders are rip-offs of Fremen, then you are indeed thick.

Well, while the Tusken Raiders certainly NOT are Fremen rip-offs, they do have something in common. (namely that they both are desert warriors and literally worship and revere the creatures they use as mounts)

I think the only thing about the Tusken Raiders which probably are lifted from the Fremen are that they revere the Banthas like the Fremen revere the Shai-Hulud.

Otherwise, the Tusken Raiders are probably based upon bedouin nomads as depicted in "Beau Geste".

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-19 04:02am

I think that's post hoc ergo promtor hoc stretching it.

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-02-19 01:53pm

Jedi do smoke. Here is the proof

Some say this is a spoiler

EDIT: linked the picture, instead of showing it.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-02-19 03:24pm

Kurgan wrote:You guys crack me up.

I guess I should write up that Bendu/Bindu thing after all! ; )

Post it if you want. After the shit my brother is putting me through at the monent i need a laugh.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-02-19 09:29pm

If you want to see a rip off of Dune, look at The Lion King, not Star Wars. Think about it: a king is betrayed and killed by someone close to him, the prince is forced into exile to live with eccentric desert nomads, and then he comes back to kick the shit out of his usurpers when he's older. Cue the rain.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-02-19 10:41pm

Actually I always thought of Dune as being a parallel of Lawrence of Arabia (real historical figure), the rise of Islam, the environmental movement & the current (or current as of the 1960's) turmoil in the middle east. That only scatches the surface of course.

Dune seems based on history itself mostly, though I'm told that Asimov's "Foundation" influenced it a lot (the idea of an esoteric sect guiding history and the a galactic empire) which I haven't read. Star Wars is based mostly on other 'fiction' (be that comic books, old serials, adventure films, science fiction that Lucas liked, myths that he studied, etc).

I see Dune as one of the many influences on Star Wars, but definately an important one (and continues to be). It's in the same genre, achieved wide popular success and was established only a decade before, plus Lucas was familiar with it.

I'm not crying "rip off" but pointing out the obvious influence one series had on the other. So feel free to continue to scoff at the idea, but here's another argument for it (one could write a book on the subject but it looks like somebody has already gone to some trouble):

http://www.jitterbug.com/origins/dune.html

(the article writer mentions Shakespear, which had occured to me in the manner the characters conduct themselves say in the Lynch film version, the whole atmosphere of court intriuge and soliloquay, of course Shakespear based his own stories on history, albeit with vast poetic liscense)

Incidentally, I didn't pull this idea out of my ass, in fact I didn't even consider that Dune and Star Wars might be cousins until I saw the sci fi Miniseries, which inspired me to read the books.

More and more I saw parallels between the two. This is perhaps more true of Lucas's story as it evolved than just the films themselves (reading early Star Wars drafts and biographies of Lucas makes this more clear).

The EU extends the parallels which may or may not have anything to do with Lucas's idea, but it would stand to reason that they drew from the same influences he did (for example some of the Marvel comic books explicitly say they watched old Flash Gordon to draw inspiration for Star Wars comics made after the movie).

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2004-02-19 10:55pm

Robert Treder wrote:If you want to see a rip off of Dune, look at The Lion King, not Star Wars. Think about it: a king is betrayed and killed by someone close to him, the prince is forced into exile to live with eccentric desert nomads, and then he comes back to kick the shit out of his usurpers when he's older. Cue the rain.

They both ripped off Macbeth.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-02-19 11:10pm

I'm not saying anybody is ripping off (ie: direct plagiarism).

Rip off =! Influenced/by

In a sense all fiction is in one way shape or form derivative because people tend to write about "what they know" which means they draw on earlier stories, etc.

Even the most original stories tend to be where people "react against" what they know (which is supposedly what Herbert did with Foundation, but again, not having read Foundation, I can't agree or disagree with that).

Now if you want to get into the Star Wars EU and Star Trek (post Roddenberry) ripping each other off, that's a whole 'nother topic. ; )

EDIT: Comosicus, please use spoilers when posting Episode III materials! ; )

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-02-20 02:33am

Kurgan wrote: EDIT: Comosicus, please use spoilers when posting Episode III materials! ; )

Is that a spoiler? I thought it is a modified comic picture that came close to the subject of the thread. It's from a funny picture site. But if people insist, I'll link it.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-02-20 02:41am

Actually I was just making a lame joke (you know, that Yoda turns out to be a chain-smoking drunk in Episode III)

OOPS! *covers mouth in horror*

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-02-20 08:59am

Kurgan wrote:Actually I was just making a lame joke (you know, that Yoda turns out to be a chain-smoking drunk in Episode III)

OOPS! *covers mouth in horror*

I'll just leave it this way. And please announce "JOKE" when making one

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2004-02-20 01:06pm

Oh please, no more of the "important influence of Dune". If there was any strong influence it would have been in the EU writers. The Sand People appear for all of 2 minutes during the movie, and are just a bunch of savages with sticks and big elephants. (nobody worshipped any Banthas during those 120 seconds of them pummeling Luke's face and dismantling the landspeeder before running away from a old guy making funny noises)

And Jedis like to smoke and make big dinners.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-02-20 03:34pm

More importantly the idea of Sand People worshiping Bantha's came from which writter that now co-writes in the Duniverse?

Give it up Kurgan, your wanking away but i doubt anyone is buying it.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2004-02-20 03:40pm

Remember that this is the same guy who said that even if some other author writes it, it's still Lucas universe and he must have thought everything about it in advance.

So in effect, EU writers are just typewriting monkeys able to read Georgie's mind.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-02-20 04:06pm

He did. I guess that explains a lot.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-02-20 06:07pm

Remember that this is the same guy who said that even if some other author writes it, it's still Lucas universe and he must have thought everything about it in advance.

So in effect, EU writers are just typewriting monkeys able to read Georgie's mind.

Lol ! This is actually not MY argument, but the argument of the EU apologists on these forums.

Though they do have a point, Lucas (or somebody representing him through his company) DOES "approve everything that's official" (whatever that means) and so in whatever sense, whatever is in the EU is "his will" even though he freely contradicts it when he chooses.

See, this is why I can't win. If I defend the EU, I'm an EU apologist, if I attack the EU, I'm a purist asshole. If I denigrate Star Wars I must hate it, if I approve it, I must be a fanboy wanker!

Well, I guess you can't please everybody, especially when they build their Walls of Ignorance so high.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-02-21 11:24am

Your accusing me of having a WoI. And they say fanatically dumb people don't have a sense of irony. On another note since you seem to have all the angles covered in your weird theory Jabba = Who in Duniverse? ISD's = What? Come on numb nuts amaze me already.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2004-02-22 07:18am

Lord Pounder wrote:Jabba = Who in Duniverse?

Jabba bears a vague resemblance to God-Emperor Leto II in his sandworm form.

However, I don't have a clue what the Duniverse equivalent of an ISD is.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-02-22 01:35pm

Peregrin Toker wrote:
Lord Pounder wrote:Jabba = Who in Duniverse?
Jabba bears a vague resemblance to God-Emperor Leto II in his sandworm form.

However, I don't have a clue what the Duniverse equivalent of an ISD is.

You're suggesting that The God Emperor of the Known Universe, Leto II, is the inspiration for a sweaty crimelord? I surely hope your taking the piss.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2004-02-22 04:25pm

Durandal wrote:We don't know what smoking is like in Star Wars. Maybe they've refined it in such a way that you retain the high with no significant long-term health risks. After all, Gandalf and just about every other character in Lord of the Rings was a dirty reefer addict.

Is there even any high? What if it's more like Tobacco instead?

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-02-23 08:07am

Slartibartfast wrote:Remember that this is the same guy who said that even if some other author writes it, it's still Lucas universe and he must have thought everything about it in advance.

So in effect, EU writers are just typewriting monkeys able to read Georgie's mind.

(emphasis added) Non sequitur in that last sentence btw.

Lord Pounder wrote:He did. I guess that explains a lot.

Where exactly did I say this? Or were you referring to someone else?