KDY info needed!

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2004-03-01 10:45am

Don't KDY IIRC also manufacture the Nebulon-B frigates?

I recall reading it somewhere.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-01 04:45pm

Peregrin Toker wrote:Don't KDY IIRC also manufacture the Nebulon-B frigates?

I recall reading it somewhere.

Supposedly. Personally I hate that idea; it hardly fits at all with their scale, design aesthetic, or utilitarian design philosophies.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2004-03-02 09:45am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Peregrin Toker wrote:Don't KDY IIRC also manufacture the Nebulon-B frigates?

I recall reading it somewhere.
Supposedly. Personally I hate that idea; it hardly fits at all with their scale, design aesthetic, or utilitarian design philosophies.

I don't get it either, when I first read that I thought "that is supposed to be a KDY design??"

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-03-02 10:39am

Peregrin Toker wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Peregrin Toker wrote:Don't KDY IIRC also manufacture the Nebulon-B frigates?

I recall reading it somewhere.
Supposedly. Personally I hate that idea; it hardly fits at all with their scale, design aesthetic, or utilitarian design philosophies.
I don't get it either, when I first read that I thought "that is supposed to be a KDY design??"

I think produced is a better term. The Nebulon-B frigates are not longer built, and the new, advanced Frigates had taen thier place in the product line.
Advanced frigate:
http://hangarbay.tripod.com/td-nb2frigate.html

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-03-02 10:43am

They look more like a Corellian design than anything.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-02 04:39pm

I doubt that too. Corellian designs are supposed to be big, or small, quick, utilitarian.

When you get to Corvette sizes other considerations become important and you don't need to stick with the dagger-shape for optimal design.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2004-03-02 05:11pm

Tribun wrote:
Peregrin Toker wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote: Supposedly. Personally I hate that idea; it hardly fits at all with their scale, design aesthetic, or utilitarian design philosophies.
I don't get it either, when I first read that I thought "that is supposed to be a KDY design??"
I think produced is a better term. The Nebulon-B frigates are not longer built, and the new, advanced Frigates had taen thier place in the product line.
Advanced frigate:
http://hangarbay.tripod.com/td-nb2frigate.html

You´re sure, that this is an official SW-design?

Because i never heard of an Aegis-carrier or a Protector-cruiser, which are featured on this site, too.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-02 05:21pm

The M/FRG is in the X-Wing Alliance game, and I believe that it may have been featured in WEG materials.

The "game mechanics" exemption doesn't cover the existance of new ships.

There is such a thing.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2004-03-02 05:36pm

Crazedwraith wrote:Subsodary: Rothana, builds AT-TEs and Acclamatiors

Well, not just Rothana, specificially the subsidiary was named Rothana Heavy Engineering. IIRC they're basically responsible for single-handedly outfitting the first batches of clonetroopers.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-02 06:21pm

It could be that KDY purchased the design of the N-B from another company (possibly one that went bankrupt) or manufactured them for a smaller company that lacked the full capability to build them themselves.

Something similar has been suggested in regards to the YV-666 freighter by CEC.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-03-02 09:20pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:The M/FRG is in the X-Wing Alliance game, and I believe that it may have been featured in WEG materials.

The "game mechanics" exemption doesn't cover the existance of new ships.

There is such a thing.

It's in TIE Fighter and X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter as well.

The Nebulon B never bothered me, because we really don't know what percentage of KDY's product line(s) we've seen. While it doesn't mesh with their design aesthetic for larger "star" scale ships, it may very well fit with a different group of ships they manufacture. After all, the Volkswagen Beetle doesn't look much like a Volkswagen Jetta, does it? Or compare a Honda Element with an Accord or a Honda motorcycle. It isn't impossible for a company's design trademarks to not be represented across their entire catalog.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-02 10:08pm

Robert Treder wrote:The Nebulon B never bothered me, because we really don't know what percentage of KDY's product line(s) we've seen. While it doesn't mesh with their design aesthetic for larger "star" scale ships, it may very well fit with a different group of ships they manufacture. After all, the Volkswagen Beetle doesn't look much like a Volkswagen Jetta, does it? Or compare a Honda Element with an Accord or a Honda motorcycle. It isn't impossible for a company's design trademarks to not be represented across their entire catalog.

Different story when most of those trademarks are designated or required by efficiency and combat effectiveness concerns, no?

And you're wrong about not seeing a craft by KDY in this design range; we have: the Acclamator-esque star frigate Rand Ecliptic.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-03-02 10:28pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Different story when most of those trademarks are designated or required by efficiency and combat effectiveness concerns, no?

I don't know, maybe the Nebulon B wasn't designed to be a warship. That still leaves the retardedness of the spindly section, but I wasn't trying to defend the design, I was just trying to say that just because it doesn't have the look of other KDY ships doesn't mean that it isn't a KDY ship.

And you're wrong about not seeing a craft by KDY in this design range; we have: the Acclamator-esque star frigate Rand Ecliptic.

I didn't mean this size range, it might be part of a line for a certain geographic or economic region, etc.

In any event, as far as why the Neb B looks the way it does goes, all we've got is speculation. I was just trying to say that a company doesn't have to make all of its products look similar. Especially not KDY; they're what, the largest company in the galaxy?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-02 10:29pm

Xizor Transport Systems was larger.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-03-02 10:31pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Xizor Transport Systems was larger.

It is?

Not really saying yay or nay, but the way Xizor talked of it, in the chapter of him going to Menari's...I got the the impression that XTS was hefty and large but a relative minor in the big fish pond.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-03-02 10:31pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Xizor Transport Systems was larger.

Don't be difficult!

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2004-03-03 08:16am

XTS was the largest shipping-company (and perhaps only the largest shipping company owned by a single person. I haven´t read Shadows of the Empire for quit some time, but didn´t it say, that XTS had only thousand ships?), not the largest company of all SW-companies.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-03-03 05:17pm

Lets say for some reason theat KDY and Kuat pulled out of the Empire, would they be able to do it and would they still be able to build ISDs?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-03 05:33pm

Seeing as ISDs are goverment ships, therefore government contracts, I would definately say no.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-03 08:38pm

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

Beyond contract obligations (which become quite defunct of the regime in question ceases to exist), there's nothing really stopping arms companies from fullfilling seperate contracts on the same hardware to multiple countries.

For example, we proposed the R&D project yielding the F-16 Fighting Falcon, but the company was certainly permited to fulfill contracts for the same hardware with other nations (granted, we decided who those countries were, but the Galactic Empire no longer exists in the GFFA, and is hardly in a position therefore to tell KDY to do a damn thing).

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-03-03 10:27pm

To clearify something, I meant what would happen if KDY tried to pull away at the height of the Empire. So the Empire is still around, it is still powerful, and it is still strong.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-03 10:29pm

The "heavy" or "strategic" elements of the Starfleet represented around Byss in Dark Empire and cataloged by Dr. Saxton would be put to good use.

Lord Jax · Post by **Lord Jax** » 2004-03-03 10:31pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Chris OFarrell wrote:That said however, KDY itself in the Kuat system is MASSIVE. If those shipyards were lost, KDY would go from #1 of 4 to #4 of 4 in terms of shipyard abilities under Fondor, Sluis Van and Bilbringi.
Fondor's yards and Bilbringi's shipyard are KDY property.

So in other words KDY OWNS the yards at Fondor and Bilbringi and Gydine

Also if wouldn't be too much trouble i would like to know the main subsidorys of KDY.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-03 10:32pm

Republic Fleet Systems, Kuat Systems Engineering, Rothana Heavy Engineering, etc.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-03-03 10:34pm

Doesn't a subsidiary of KDY (other than Rothana) make the AT-AT and AT-ST? I thought I remembered that from somewheres...I'll have to dig around.