Super-Gagme wrote:
So because solar systems are usually light years away, Bespin has to be?
Since basic fucking astronomy supports it I can't see why not.
My theory is supported by basic astronomy, and takes into account all the maintenance we see Han and the gang doing to the MF while on their journey. It offers a simple logical explanation for how they were able to get to their destination without requiring a years or decades long journey and without Bespin and the various other systems they were considering somehow magically being under 1 lightyear away from Hoth.
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It's possible that the MF rode along with the Avenger for a jump or two, and were left in the middle of interstellar space a (relatively) short sublight jaunt away from Bespin. I'm not saying it's likely, but it's possible.
In any case, if from start to finish the MF had to go, say, four light years, and made the trip at .99c, then (if I have remembered my Lorentz contractions correctly) we're looking at a trip length of about 4 months. I don't know if they keep consumables for propulsion and sustenance for that kind of time, but in terms of the timeline only it doesn't seem out of whack.
SCRawl wrote:It's possible that the MF rode along with the Avenger for a jump or two, and were left in the middle of interstellar space a (relatively) short sublight jaunt away from Bespin. I'm not saying it's likely, but it's possible.
In any case, if from start to finish the MF had to go, say, four light years, and made the trip at .99c, then (if I have remembered my Lorentz contractions correctly) we're looking at a trip length of about 4 months. I don't know if they keep consumables for propulsion and sustenance for that kind of time, but in terms of the timeline only it doesn't seem out of whack.
I think your math is wrong. Traveling 4 LY at .99c would take more than 4 years. c = speed of light, LY = distance light travels in one year. If its going slower than light, it can't go faster.
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SCRawl wrote:It's possible that the MF rode along with the Avenger for a jump or two, and were left in the middle of interstellar space a (relatively) short sublight jaunt away from Bespin. I'm not saying it's likely, but it's possible.
In any case, if from start to finish the MF had to go, say, four light years, and made the trip at .99c, then (if I have remembered my Lorentz contractions correctly) we're looking at a trip length of about 4 months. I don't know if they keep consumables for propulsion and sustenance for that kind of time, but in terms of the timeline only it doesn't seem out of whack.
I think your math is wrong. Traveling 4 LY at .99c would take more than 4 years. c = speed of light, LY = distance light travels in one year. If its going slower than light, it can't go faster.
No, you're clearly not understanding the concept of time dilation. The poster seems to have an understanding of the Lorentz contractions, while I have a basic understanding of time dilation, the concept of Lorentz contractions is a bit more difficult. (I'm a social scientist, not a natural scientist). According to Lorentz contractions, a ship traveling at .99c, as the poster suggests, when one day have elapsed onboard the ship, seven days would have passed outside. Time dilation is even experienced by astronauts in orbit around Earth, albeit the effects is neglible.
Who said a ship is untraceable once it jumps? In ANH, while Chewie and the droids are playing chess and Obi-Wan and Luke are doing Jedi stuff, Han is still at work in the cockpit. He comes into the main room and announces that he's lost the Imperial ships. So there's more to losing pursuers than going faster.
In SW when they come out at Alderaan and are attacked by a TIE Luke says "They followed us!" and Han says "That's impossible." Later Han assures princess Leia that their ship is not being tracked.
EU novels corroborate this in multiple instances.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:In SW when they come out at Alderaan and are attacked by a TIE Luke says "They followed us!" and Han says "That's impossible." Later Han assures princess Leia that their ship is not being tracked.
EU novels corroborate this in multiple instances.
It's impossible because TIEs don't have hyperdrives: "A ship that small couldn't get this deep into space on its own."
Han is also one of the cockiest motherfuckers in the history of movies. However, once he makes the jump with his regular hyperdrive, he has a huge advantage. First, his drive is WAY faster than anyone else's and second, he has any number of tricks up his sleeve -like a fox being chased by hounds.
Elfdart wrote:Han is also one of the cockiest motherfuckers in the history of movies. However, once he makes the jump with his regular hyperdrive, he has a huge advantage. First, his drive is WAY faster than anyone else's and second, he has any number of tricks up his sleeve -like a fox being chased by hounds.
And this is relevant because?
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Actually, something else has occurred to me: while the trip might take only 4 months of MF time (at .99c) the rest of the galaxy that *isn't* travelling at .99c would have perceived that over 4 years would have taken place. That's a long time for Luke to be stuck in the "slimy mudhole", though it might account for his vastly increased abilities to have years of training under his belt. It's also a long time for Vader et al to continue the search, an awfully long time.
And, yes, I have had a bit of education in special relativity -- I took a course in it in second year (my background is in physics, though I'd make a poor physicist).
CaptainChewbacca wrote:In SW when they come out at Alderaan and are attacked by a TIE Luke says "They followed us!" and Han says "That's impossible." Later Han assures princess Leia that their ship is not being tracked.
EU novels corroborate this in multiple instances.
It's impossible because TIEs don't have hyperdrives: "A ship that small couldn't get this deep into space on its own."
The fact that Han had to add that qualifier suggests that it might have been possible otherwise.
Also (and correct me if I'm wrong because I don't have a copy of the movie here), Han comes into the passenger lounge and announces that he's lost pursuit and that same scene ends a few minutes later with their arrival at Alderaan. If I'm remembering correctly, that would suggest that Han spent some time eluding pursuit even after jumping to hyperdrive.
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Meest wrote:What you people aren't getting about the backup hyperdrive theory is that it can only be used when the coast is clear in a tactical situation. Coast is clear = can limp away, but if the Imperials were still chasing no point in making a small/slow jump just to be caught up to again. With its main hyperdrive the Falcon can literally go faster even if the ISD chased.
Did you just make that up? How would circumstances vary when you can use a hyperdrive if once a ship enters lightspeed it is untraceable?
It makes sense when you consider Han brags about the speed of his ship, why else would having a faster hyperdrive matter to evading Imperials, if a slow hyperdrive would let you get away also? He certainly can't seem to outrun them in sublight.
Joe Momma wrote:Also (and correct me if I'm wrong because I don't have a copy of the movie here), Han comes into the passenger lounge and announces that he's lost pursuit and that same scene ends a few minutes later with their arrival at Alderaan. If I'm remembering correctly, that would suggest that Han spent some time eluding pursuit even after jumping to hyperdrive.
(From the SE)
Luke: Why don't you outrun them, I thought you said this thing was fast?
Han: ...We'll be safe enough once we make the jump to hyperspace. Besides, I know a few maneuvers, we'll lose them.
then later
Han: Well, you can forget your troubles with those Imperial slugs, I told you I'd outrun them
Possible scenario:
1-MF jumps to hyperspace
2-MF outpaces ISDs
3-MF performs maneuvers (perhaps a series of micro-jumps to prevent "last vector" course prediction by ISDs
4-Han feels satisfied he's left the ISDs in the dust
5-Han brags to old man and farm boy.
