Most Destructive Conflict in Star Wars

[Lord of the Farce]

If its an order of magnitude wrong, its not much of an estimate, is it?

So would we be way out of line if we were to attribute this to GFFA propaganda/damage-control?

[Illuminatus Primus]

Do you have a good reason to invoke that impression? That impression, I remind you, implicitly undermines official evidence (normally we use realism and consistency concerns from other articles of evidence to rule that certain pieces of evidence--particularly if they reflect a common misconception regarding SW in the official literature, and interpret it on that basis--but it really is a last resort).

[PainRack]

Ad none of the worlds the emprie destroyed can compare to Corusant.

And? The YV didn't kill everyone on Coruscant.

Ithor however was a heavily populated word IIRC, was was Duros which had it's floating cities blasted IIRC. People also forget Rommadool(sp) and it's neighbouring world, which can be argued to be a casualty because Nom Anor was involved. The military losses where also catastrophic. An entire Hapan battle group routed accidently plus countless battleships and fighters.

The Republic managed to evacuate all non-combatents from Ithor. Duros also had an evacuation.

The Fondor battle does not compare to the loss suffered at Endor and Yavin. A complete Death star has superior firepower, shielding, larger investment of menpower and materials than the entire Hapan navy.

The vong made it a POINT to wipe out the sentient populations of any worlds they captured, and they also killed refuges as quick as they caught them
i.e smashing thousands of freighters into Coruscants planetary shields

The Vong also wiped out most of Coruscants population, and killed a number of planets. They planned to turn the Wars galaxy into a duplicate of there original. There original didn't have all those pesky non-believers....

The Vong was was the most destructive over all.

No, the Yuzhan Vong primarily enslaved the inhabitants of every planet they captured. Indeed, save for Sernipdal and Yevetha, there isn't any others species extinction events in the novels leading up to Force Heretic.

Furthermore, from the YV map and NJO sourcebook, the number of planets which were openly touched by war was lesser than that touched by the Galactic Civil War. Although conflict and the Peace Brigade would had enlarged the scope of the YVI, the resources available to the combatents paled in context to the infighting between the Imperial Warlords.

And don't forget the Vong completely wiped out the Yevetha and depopulated the Koornacht cluster. I voted for the YVI, but what was the "Hyperspace war"?

And?? The Empire similarly wiped out entire species using a mixture of chemical and biological weapons.


Even if we assumed that the Unifying Force figures referred to the military casualties suffered by the New Republic, the figures of trillions is still extremely low, compared to the deaths that must have ensured in the Imperial Navy (ignoring the Rebellion fleets).

[PainRack]

It does not matter if you include the Carida supernova, because Carida's population is a mere 25 million. Very few worlds were damaged beyond repair. Alderaan only had 2 billion inhabitants.

And the worlds that the Yuzhan Vong destroyed, were Outer Rim worlds, even smaller in numbers. Sernipdal had a populace in the low million at best.

In the YVI, Bilbringi, Duro, Bastion, Ithor, Gydine, Tynna, Nal Hutta (with over 95 billion pop) and Nar Shadda (72 billion), Garqi, Falleen, Rodia, Druckenwell, Kalarba, Fondor, etc... were all overrun and "reshaped". Their populations enslaved, cities obliterated. The Empire rarely did that, but the Vong did it to almost every planet under their control. In other instances, the Vong BDZ whole planets, such as Barab I and N'zoth, rendering some species nearly extinct (Yevetha).

Fondor remained under the control of the New Republic, although its shipyards were destroyed. Duro, Bastion, Gydine, Tynna, Bilbringi were "reshaped". However, their inhabitants remained alive as slaves, the natives of tynna for example, were to had assisted in growing dovin basals to take down Coruscant shields.

The Empire routinely enslaved entire species like the wookies, Rodian, etc etc.
Furthermore, Barab I and N'zoth weren't BDZ. They faced mere orbital bombardment. No specific mention of the obtileration of the entire world resources were mentioned, nor is likely considering the existence of a surivivor and intact technical equipment.
Furthermore, the release of the Death Plague by Crix Madine described in Darksaber, Imperial bombardments like that described in Hutts gambit all ranked up there with what the Yuzhan Vong did, and the Empire inflicted this to more worlds than the Yuzhan Vong did.

[consequences]

Coruscant got trashed during the Galactic Civil War as well.

[JME2]

Coruscant got trashed during the Galactic Civil War as well.

Yes, twice, when the NR took it from Isard and when the Imps drove them in "Dark Empire".

[Lord Pounder]

Coruscant got trashed during the Galactic Civil War as well.

A few Star Destroyers crasjed into the surface, IIRC the Vong leveled Courscant and re built it in their own image.

[consequences]

Coruscant got trashed during the Galactic Civil War as well.

A few Star Destroyers crasjed into the surface, IIRC the Vong leveled Courscant and re built it in their own image.

We have no solid information on the level of destruction caused during the Emperor's resurgence, but what area we saw looked pretty fucked up. Given the large quantities of wreckage that had to be hazarded to get to the planet, it is a near certainty that more than just a few star destroyers impacted. It is also profoundly unlikely that most of the civilian freighters responsible for bringing food to the planet would have risked a debris field that quite easily claimed a frigate, so starvation is also a major issue, although it certainly would be just as bad of a problem when the Vong occupied.

There is also the minor matter of a 17.6 kilometer long ship ripping out of the surface of the planet when Isaard exited stage right.

[Darth Yoshi]

Coruscant got trashed during the Galactic Civil War as well.

A few Star Destroyers crasjed into the surface, IIRC the Vong leveled Courscant and re built it in their own image.

They tried. All they really did was give Coruscant a new paintjob. The underlying structures were still intact.

I vote for the Civil War.

[PainRack]

Coruscant got trashed during the Galactic Civil War as well.

A few Star Destroyers crasjed into the surface, IIRC the Vong leveled Courscant and re built it in their own image.

Yet, the basic structure of the city is still intact. The Golan platforms dropping into the city is equivalent to the space debris dropping onto Coruscant.

More importantly, the populace on Coruscant dropped more drastically, during the GCS, than during the YVI.

[CaptainChewbacca]

I think some posters here are mixing Imperial atrocities with the war. When Tarkin obliterated the Omwati homeworld to make sure no one could make another Qwi Xux, that had nothing to do directly with the military conflict. Its like saying that the colonialization and decimation of African populations are casualties of the Napoleonic wars.

Only things that came from direct military action can be attributed to the war. The rest is the general functioning of the empire.

[PainRack]

I think some posters here are mixing Imperial atrocities with the war. When Tarkin obliterated the Omwati homeworld to make sure no one could make another Qwi Xux, that had nothing to do directly with the military conflict. Its like saying that the colonialization and decimation of African populations are casualties of the Napoleonic wars.

Only things that came from direct military action can be attributed to the war. The rest is the general functioning of the empire.

In that case, will the YV posters please remove the casualties of Coruscant, Ithor, Sernpidal and virtually every other planet save for the Yevethan, cause all of these were atrocities attributed to the functioing of the Yuzhan Vong bio-manipulation.

[hvb]

I'm with PainRack at al:

Civil War (or Clone War, we haven't seen the level of destruction there, so until EpIII and the EU that will wank about it, we cannot know).

As PainRack says CptChewbacca you are trying to have your cake and eat it:

EITHER we count only military casualties of the conflicts, in which case the destruction of either the DS1 and DS2, in and off itself and disregarding all other engagements, will account for more losses then the whole YV war effort.
(unless you want to argue that they don't count as they were terrorist attacks and thus not really military losses. Good luck selling that one though. )

OR we count all casualties, not only of the military side of things but also of pacifications/police actions/Vrong-forming efforts/other atrocities during these troubled periods of galactic history. If we do so we must conclude (see comments above from various sources) that the Impire performed atrocities on a similar scale as the Vong, but over a larger territory (including ALL of the high-population sectors), and over a much longer time period then the YV invasion.

So to paraphrase Wong's Battles pages: I would give the Civil War 2 for 2 in this contest.

[Praxis]

The Yuuzhan Vong hardly fried or totally decimated that many worlds; and with the manpower and ship resources they had, I don't see how they can.

I think the level of disruption in the economy and industry of the galaxy during and after the Galactic Civil War speaks to the level of destruction and true mayhem which was unleashed.

Are you kidding? The Yuuzhan Vong conquered about half the galaxy (or at least a third)...every world they conquered was either:

1) Wiped out and turned into a wasteland
2) 'Reshaped', the population enslaved or wiped out, the slaves eventually dying
3) Turned into a ship growing facility, with the population whisked away to be sacrificed.

Thousands, maybe millions of planets had their population exterminated...
Only a couple planets were actually completely wiped out (Ithor, Sernpidal, etc) but all the rest had every humanoid living on it enslaved, murdered, or sacrificed.

[Tychu]

I would simply go with the Yuzzhan Vong Invasion. Simply being that the Vong attacked every living "infidel" in the known and unknown reaches of the galaxy. They distroyed many "sacred" and protected worlds that have been in that state since the other wars of Star Wars (Duros for example). These maniactic aliens tried to convert and kill every native to the Star Wars universe and destroy any technology. This is the most destructive war in the Star Wars.

My question is... whats the diffrence betweent he Great Hyperspace War and the Sith War, both involved Jedi vs. Sith, what are the time diffrences and events.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Hell, the Imperial equivalent of John Ashcroft torched his home planet just to prove his loyalty.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I think some posters here are mixing Imperial atrocities with the war. When Tarkin obliterated the Omwati homeworld to make sure no one could make another Qwi Xux, that had nothing to do directly with the military conflict. Its like saying that the colonialization and decimation of African populations are casualties of the Napoleonic wars.

Bullshit.

You not going to count the Japanese slaves in the mines for the war effort and similar stuff in Europe by the Nazis as part of what World War II is? Because every historian I know did. Those were civilian abuses as part of weapons programs. It counts.

[Illuminatus Primus]

The Yuuzhan Vong hardly fried or totally decimated that many worlds; and with the manpower and ship resources they had, I don't see how they can.

I think the level of disruption in the economy and industry of the galaxy during and after the Galactic Civil War speaks to the level of destruction and true mayhem which was unleashed.

Are you kidding? The Yuuzhan Vong conquered about half the galaxy (or at least a third)...every world they conquered was either:

1) Wiped out and turned into a wasteland
2) 'Reshaped', the population enslaved or wiped out, the slaves eventually dying
3) Turned into a ship growing facility, with the population whisked away to be sacrificed.

Thousands, maybe millions of planets had their population exterminated...
Only a couple planets were actually completely wiped out (Ithor, Sernpidal, etc) but all the rest had every humanoid living on it enslaved, murdered, or sacrificed.

Bullshit. We never see millions-scale sacrifice, and huge numbers managed to get aloft and into refugees. And the slaves, while oppressed, and in terrible conditions, hardly all died.

And besides, the worlds you saw siezed were only the most important worlds; look at the couple dozen worlds spattered over the YVI invasion zone. There should be dozens of millions of worlds which are inhabited in that swathe. The Yuuzhan physically lacked the ships and personnel to enslave or even station troops at half those planets.

They must've glided across the galaxy, splitting the splintered states and alliances by severing key ports, supply lines, and industrial and mining centers. Hitting key population centers and crashing the web of galactic civilization in those areas, certainly making life crap, but there's no way the YV could've literally killed even a significant number of the people across that area.

[technomage]

The Yuuzhan Vong invasion never even occurred. Or at worst, they were annihilated before they even got their feet under them. There's simply no way that they could ever have posed a credible threat to the Republic in a realistic universe, because the Republic would never have given them the time they needed to become a real threat.

The NJO never actually happened. It's all a bad dream akin to Battlestar Galactica 1980.

SW ends with Union.

[technomage]

The Galactic Civil War, hands down.

The Vong couldn't even begin to compare to it. Planets blown to asteroids, planets disintegrated, planets blockaded and starved to death, planets wiped out by biological warfare, planets reduced to oceans of molten lava.

Planets laid waste by surface warfare, space battles that routinely killed hundreds of thousands of people.

Once the Emperor died at Endor and the warlords started going for each others' throats, all hell was loose for high noon, and it went on for more than a decade.

[technomage]

The Great Hyperspace War was bad, but the Old Republic and the Sith Empire weren't anywhere near as large as their 5000-year-later descendants. It was actually pretty localized. The same goes for the Sith War of a millennium later.

But the Sith War of 2000-1000 years before the movies might well have been worse thatn the GCW. It lasted a millennium, after all.

[Lex]

Lol you guys are completely ignoring the Sith War... It did last a millenia and when exar kun and ulic quel-droma blew up this star system, there was a shockwave, which destroyed hundreds of systems or more totally, leaving no living being behind... exluding that wierd tree jedi maybe

[Haze Gray]

I haven't read much about the Sith War, but how would a shockwave destroy hundreds of systems over the course of a millenia? Even if a shockwave could retain enough power to destroy hundreds of systems, it would take far more then a thousand years to reach them all.

[Luzifer's right hand]

I haven't read much about the Sith War, but how would a shockwave destroy hundreds of systems over the course of a millenia? Even if a shockwave could retain enough power to destroy hundreds of systems, it would take far more then a thousand years to reach them all.

A cubiclightyear has 0,02 stars in our region of the galaxy afaik.

We just need the speed of the Schockwave now.

Let's assume 0,1 C.
That's a sphere of 100 light years in one millenia.
About 4188790 cubiclightyears= 83776 stars.

More than enough systems to destroy hundreds of worlds imo(if the shockwave is powerful enough, I don not even want to think about the energie needed )

[Ghost Rider]

Actually they detonated a star to go Supernova.

And it didn't last a millenia

And that war lasted 3 years.