ARC 170 fighter: good or bad? (Ep III)

[Sarevok]

The fighter looks awesome. It reminds me of the Coyote from Starlancer.

[Galvatron]

IMO, this fighter looks how the E-wing should have.

[VT-16]

Also, shouldn't latter-day Republic fighters look more like TIEs anyway?

If you bothered to follow the spoiler-talk, you would know by now that the new Jedi fighters have Twin Ion Engines.

[Stark]

I'm also glad to see original designs. This ship looks a little heavy to be a 'fighter', tho, since it's never going to be in the same league as the D-7... I agree with the WW2 references, even tho all the planes like that sucked in WW2

And the EU put heaps of torps in B-wings. Bluergh.

[Vympel]

I'm also glad to see original designs. This ship looks a little heavy to be a 'fighter', tho, since it's never going to be in the same league as the D-7... I agree with the WW2 references, even tho all the planes like that sucked in WW2

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Il-2 "Strumovik". Nuff said.

[Jade Falcon]

Frankly, I don't see why we can't just have X-wings in the prequels. The design could conceivably be centuries old. Yes, that means ignoring the EU.

I believe EU material has said that it was called Republic Sienar Systems, or something similiar.

I'd like to see a Z-95, this looks more like a contempary or precursor of the Y-wing/B-Wing type of craft. Personally it reminds me of the Zerstorer concept the Germans thought up and tried with the BF-110.

[phongn]

Z-95 predates TPM and thats canon.

Then it is probably obsolete in the era of ROTS.

[Rogue 9]

Z-95 predates TPM and thats canon.

Then it is probably obsolete in the era of ROTS.

It was still widely used up until the last few years of the Rebellion.

[Gil Hamilton]

If anyone's seen the Art of Attack of the Clones (I've flipped through it, didn't purchase, way too pricey) you can see that demonstrated by the LAAT ("Republic Gunship") designs- the concept art never does the final model justice.

Of course, some of the final products were a step down from the concept art. Like the SPHA-T, which had treads in the concept art and then they changed it to those horrible stupid squatty legs, to keep things consistant with them putting legs on just about everything else the Old Republic/Empire uses on the ground.


Anyway, the ARC 170 looks like hot buttery overly gunned kickassness.

[Jade Falcon]

Look at original concept art of the X-Wing, the engine mounted on the S-foils for instance each were shaped like a large half circle rather than the individual small cylindrical shapes.

Hell, for concept art, you should have seen some of the really old Star Wars stuff, C-3PO looked like the robot from Metropolis.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Doesn't look much like a fighter, more of a bomber. Hope thats what its used for.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I hate it. What was wrong with the Z-95 and Y-Wing?

Those probably are contemporaries of the VSD, which postdate the Clone Wars.

No, EGTV&V explicitly states VSD I was Clone Wars era; VSD IIs were did not make the end of the Clone Wars by a number of months.

[Knife]

I like the concept, even if I don't really like the whole design. I hope they do play with it alittle before final SFX shots.

I does play off of of planes like the 'Avenger' and such, which keeps Lucas's little WWII fetish going.

Personally, I'd move the X wing style Sfoils to the rear of the 'tail'?, thingy and ditch the massive cockpit. The rear gun is a bit much too, imo.

I guess if they plan on using it as a 'gunship' in space, the current design makes alittle sense, but I've thought that the Old Republic designs are a little uber when it comes to weapons.

[Master of Ossus]

Having the Z-95 in RotS would be really stupid, except perhaps as an Easter Egg. This thing is pretty sweet--a sort of light bomber in space--and is an infinitely more interesting design than the Headhunter.

[Galvatron]

I'd also lose the extra wings. They make it look kitbashed, as if some conceptual artist said, "Let's add some wings here. It'll look kewl!"

[Stark]

I agree with the WW2 references, even tho all the planes like that sucked in WW2

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Il-2 "Strumovik". Nuff said.

LOL I tried to think of planes like that, but only remembered the other ones. Yes, the Il rules. The Beufort(sp) does not.

[IRG CommandoJoe]

Eh...I dunno....I don't like the nose. For some reason it reminds me of a train. And the big "radial" engines remind me of a podracer.

And on a more practical note, the weapons and their placement seems a little crappy. The LAAT seemed to have much more firepower and better coverage than this thing does. It had unmanned ball turrets in each wing that could cover all around the ship, a (manned or unmanned?) ball turret at the back which could cover the entire rear of the ship, two manned ball turrets on the sides of the ship, two turrets directly in the nose of the ship, in addition to twin missile launchers and wing-launched rockets. That's a LOT of firepower for one ship.

This design only has two mounted cannons and one (or possibly two) rear cannon that does not have nearly the same amount of covereage the rear turret had on the LAAT. And we don't know if it carries any warheads yet, although it is unlikely it does not. It seems to be a step down, to me.

I can only hope the final design will incorporate more firepower with better coverage and an overall better aesthetic design.

[Stormbringer]

I hate it. What was wrong with the Z-95 and Y-Wing?

Z-95: because it's an EU creation and noone at ILM or Lucas gives a crap about it

Plus it doesn't sound like it was ever the top fighter of the pack. It seems like it's meant to be a commercial fighter rather than a top of the line military fighter.

[Jade Falcon]

LOL I tried to think of planes like that, but only remembered the other ones. Yes, the Il rules. The Beufort(sp) does not.

To be fair the Beaufort was a torp bomber. I think contemparies of this craft would be the IL-2, the Me-110, the P-38, the De Havilland Mosquito, and the Beaufighter, maybe also the Henschel 129 and the Japanese Dinah.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I hate it. What was wrong with the Z-95 and Y-Wing?

Z-95: because it's an EU creation and noone at ILM or Lucas gives a crap about it

Technically the Z-95 is now Canon as it's mentioned by Qui-Gon in the TPM novelisation.

[Lord Revan]

I hate it. What was wrong with the Z-95 and Y-Wing?

Z-95: because it's an EU creation and noone at ILM or Lucas gives a crap about it

Technically the Z-95 is now Canon as it's mentioned by Qui-Gon in the TPM novelisation.

In my version of novelisation (the finnish translation), it mentioned by the old pilot Anakin talked with in Mos Espa. I don't remember Qui-Gon ever mentioning it, but otherwise your point is correct.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Perhaps. I might be misremembering what I've read about it, as I've never read the book itself. But yeah, either way, it's still mentioned in there...

[Rogue 9]

Huzzah for canonicity!

[Lord Revan]

Perhaps. I might be misremembering what I've read about it, as I've never read the book itself. But yeah, either way, it's still mentioned in there...

for the finnish softcover version of the TPM novelisation

"Jos saisin päätää lentäisin aina Z-95 Headhunterilla"
(translation(paraphrasing) "If I could diside, I would allways fly with the Z-95 Headhunter")

that was the only time I can remember Z-95 being mentioned in TPM.

[Bob the Gunslinger]

I really like it too. The 3-man crew and rear gun evokes images of WWII flying fortresses. Perhaps this is the Republic's fighter-bomber?

Actually, I was thinking that it looked German. Especially the canopy and the two engines. Let's hope the separatists don't build one with four engines...