Force Heretic Trilogy.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-09-08 12:37pm

Stofsk wrote:
JME2 wrote:...especially the twist of ZS not being Yuuzhan'tar itself, but an offspring of the Vong's homeworld.
Planetary offspring? Planets have babies now?

The original Yuuzhan Vong homeworld was a living planet, with which they lived in symbiosis. It was also force sensitive. It gave them their biotechnology and taught them how to learn it, and then when they became warriors they destroyed the planet and made up gods to represent aspects of their original homeworld.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-09-08 12:41pm

It was also their homeworld that stripped them of that symbiosis when they utilized the bio-technology for violent purposes, and therefore cutting them off from the Force. That is why the Vong culture was so obsessed with death and pain -- it was only through pain that they could maintain the pleasure of the symbiosis.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2004-09-10 04:15pm

...Therefore they're all innocent and everyone can live happily after ever.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2004-09-10 07:08pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:...Therefore they're all innocent and everyone can live happily after ever.

Well, to be fair, everyone kind of knew a Star Wars story just cannot end with the NR slaughtering the Vong. At some point, the Vong will start looking like they are being slaughtered by a new Empire and that's not good. Yet everyone knew that was what they deserved.

It was a crappy copout, but the ending would have to be a copout.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2004-09-10 09:44pm

Yah, because it would be wrong for genocidal mass murderers to pay for their actions.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2004-09-10 09:53pm

Imperial Overlord wrote:Yah, because it would be wrong for genocidal mass murderers to pay for their actions.

You are right, but you darn well know that nobody except for Imperials are completely wrong in SW

Oh, and Sith.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-09-10 09:54pm

Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:...Therefore they're all innocent and everyone can live happily after ever.
Well, to be fair, everyone kind of knew a Star Wars story just cannot end with the NR slaughtering the Vong. At some point, the Vong will start looking like they are being slaughtered by a new Empire and that's not good. Yet everyone knew that was what they deserved.

It was a crappy copout, but the ending would have to be a copout.

According to TUF, Luke was very much afraid that the slaughtering the entire Yuuzhan Vong race would seal the fate of future generations and set the galaxy back on the path to the dark side where this time, there would be little hope of returning.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2004-09-10 11:15pm

JME2 wrote:According to TUF, Luke was very much afraid that the slaughtering the entire Yuuzhan Vong race would seal the fate of future generations and set the galaxy back on the path to the dark side where this time, there would be little hope of returning.

Honestly, Luke's more worried about the Dark Side all the time than the survival of his species. I'm not sympathetic.

Of course, if that Sekot planet was a real option, then one could argue just killing the lot of the Vong is an 'evil' choice. Even then, with all of what they had done ... it is a hard sell. But the point is that the Sekot planet is a copout to begin with so they don't have to face some hard choices (actually not that hard to anyone but Luke).

But then, had the NR maintained a proper defense, the Vong won't be in nearly so much a position to do evil, so perhaps the impetus for murdering them all would be less.

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2004-09-10 11:38pm

I really enjoyed the Force Hertic series. Remnant was the best one, Refugee (the Ssi-rukk one) i believe though was predictible and Reunion tied them all together. I got the sense of them being good because they dipicted the "new kids" in similar roles that their parents had in the early EU stories.

The seed thing is this. Any "thing" that is alive has the natural instint to spread its "seed" and continue its cycle. once Yuzzhantar became sentinet (we can only assume from the evidence given in the NJO that Sekot is its seed, and that Yuzzhantar was able to control what was going on itself) it spread its seed. The seeds forming into a planet can be explained by 2 ways. with the Vong bio tech the way it is they can easily shape the seeds and help them grow. the second is the same as how the hell do sarlaccs travel through space and find a rock of somesort and than live and how those astroid worms live in rocks, become big and live in the vaccumm of space.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2004-09-10 11:56pm

Tychu wrote:The seed thing is this. Any "thing" that is alive has the natural instint to spread its "seed" and continue its cycle.

That's reasonable. Reproduction is about as universal a trait among life as any.

The seeds forming into a planet can be explained by 2 ways. with the Vong bio tech the way it is they can easily shape the seeds and help them grow.

Even Vong biotech needs material around it to grow, stuff that it might find a little hard to find in the vaccuum of space.

the second is the same as how the hell do sarlaccs travel through space and find a rock of somesort and than live and how those astroid worms live in rocks, become big and live in the vaccumm of space.

For every sarlacc that makes it, there are probably quadrillions that didn't. Living in vaccuum isn't so bad (by sci-fi standards), it is actually finding enough matter to grow into a planet that annoys us.

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2004-09-11 12:27am

Maybe Zonama Sekot was once a dead planet or a very young planet, and the seed implanted itself and proceeded to reform the rock?

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2004-09-11 01:59am

Caveat: I can't bear to read the Vong books. Starting is hard enough.

You don't have to exterminate them to hold them accountable. WW2 comes to mind. After we beat them, we didn't let the Germans off the hook or let them forget.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-09-11 02:12am

Imperial Overlord wrote:Caveat: I can't bear to read the Vong books. Starting is hard enough.

You don't have to exterminate them to hold them accountable. WW2 comes to mind. After we beat them, we didn't let the Germans off the hook or let them forget.

During the final stages of the last battle, Wedge notes that the riots and open rebellion on Vong-occupied worlds bears similarities to what happened to Imperial troops after Endor. Krey"Fey almost makes it clear to Omas and Sovv after Coruscant is re-taken that no all Republic commanders will be willing to show compassions and mercy to an enemy that put them through hell for five years.

As with the Imperials, there are going to be wounds that will take years, if not, centuries to heal.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-09-11 02:17am

President Sharky wrote:Maybe Zonama Sekot was once a dead planet or a very young planet, and the seed implanted itself and proceeded to reform the rock?

I believe that is the explanation.
Zonama is the planet, Sekot is the consciousness...

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-09-11 02:22am

Praxis wrote:
President Sharky wrote:Maybe Zonama Sekot was once a dead planet or a very young planet, and the seed implanted itself and proceeded to reform the rock?
I believe that is the explanation.
Zonama is the planet, Sekot is the consciousness...

You are indeed correct.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2004-09-11 09:51pm

It's been a year since I've read a Star Wars novel, just because I haven't had a chance to pick up like Tatooine Ghost or some of the new ones, but that last one I read was The Unifying Force. I'm glad to know I'm not the only Luceno fan on the board. Star by Star as much as I hate the whole NJO/Vong setup, was one of the most bitchatcular books. I know they shouldn't have lost Coruscant in any way shape or form, but I can still see the images I made in my mind about that seige. If I remember correctly the Falcon found them with the backdrop of the systems sun or something like that. But from there on out it was just wild.