25,000 Star Destroyers

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-07-22 08:34pm

Can someone list every single ship clasified as a 'Star Destroyer' we know of in the EU? Anywhere I can find good pictures? Ones I know of:

Imperator-class Star Destroyer

Imperator II-class Star Destroyer

Victory-class Star Destroyer (although Rebellion calls it a Victory-class Destroyer, is there precedent for this in the EU?)

Victory II-class Star Destroyer (I've only seen it in Rebellion- does it exist in the EU?)

Executor-class Star Destroyer

Eclipse-class Star Destroyer

Allegiance-class Star Destroyer (what is this? Where is this? What does it look like? Better than an Imperator II? Specs?)

Sovereign-class Star Destroyer (what is this? Where is this? What does it look like? Its in the 'super' category yeah?)

Thanks in advance guys

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-22 08:49pm

Allegiance class I'm not familiar you, Another thing, its not Imperator its IMPERAL
Ref
Bacta War
Booster-This is a fully loaded Imperal Class MK II Star Destroyer!

Ref Courtship
Numors referances to Imperal Class Star Destroyers the NR had taken from the Empire

Wraith Squadren
Five Referances to Imperal Class Star Destroyers

Hand of Thraw Duology
Agian More Referances

Thrawn Triology
More Referances

KJA Jedi Acadmy Series of Books
Tons O Referances...

Imperal class people not Imperator, Where are you getting this name?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-07-22 08:51pm

Vympel wrote:Allegiance-class Star Destroyer (what is this? Where is this? What does it look like? Better than an Imperator II? Specs?)

It's an Imperator lookalike, but about half way between the size of the ISD and the Executor. I'd characterize it as more of a heavy cruiser or light battlecruiser than a destroyer.

Sovereign-class Star Destroyer (what is this? Where is this? What does it look like? Its in the 'super' category yeah?)

It's a big SD-style ship, with mounting for an axial superlaser, a la the Eclipse. If you want to know almost all there is about Imperial warships, go to Saxton's website. He has a good page devoted to it.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-22 08:59pm

An Allegiance class SD can briefly be seen in RotJ (the one with its hangar closed/non-existent). I have always assumed that it was a SD designed for heavy fighting against capital ships, and so it had its TIE launching platform ability removed. Incidentally, I think that it IS Imperator, despite the Bacta War reference.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2002-07-22 09:54pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Vympel wrote:Allegiance-class Star Destroyer (what is this? Where is this? What does it look like? Better than an Imperator II? Specs?)
It's an Imperator lookalike, but about half way between the size of the ISD and the Executor. I'd characterize it as more of a heavy cruiser or light battlecruiser than a destroyer.

Saxton estimates it to be 2.2km long. I classify it as either a Destroyer Leader or Light Cruiser.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2002-07-22 09:55pm

Master of Ossus wrote:An Allegiance class SD can briefly be seen in RotJ (the one with its hangar closed/non-existent). I have always assumed that it was a SD designed for heavy fighting against capital ships, and so it had its TIE launching platform ability removed. Incidentally, I think that it IS Imperator, despite the Bacta War reference.

IIRC, that is a subclass of the Imperator, not the Allegiance type.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2002-07-22 09:57pm

Mr Bean wrote: Imperal class people not Imperator, Where are you getting this name?

The lead ship of the class was the Imperator (IIRC), from the original design blueprints (which was also quite a bit smaller than the final design).

Many prefer Imperator over Imperial.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2002-07-22 09:59pm

Vympel wrote: Thanks in advance guys

There's the Republic-class, which is half the cost of an ISD2 yet has performance between the ISD1 and ISD2. There's also the Defender-class, IIRC.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-07-22 10:42pm

phongn wrote:There's the Republic-class, which is half the cost of an ISD2 yet has performance between the ISD1 and ISD2. There's also the Defender-class, IIRC.

That's the one they used in the Black Fleet Crisis to soak up the damage from the Particle cannon, right?

LordChaos · Post by **LordChaos** » 2002-07-22 11:34pm

David wrote: It also states that the standard Imperial sector fleet has 24 SDs and thats where people get the idea that the Empire control a little more than 1000 sectors.

Actualy, that has some canon backing as well.

The radio drama of ROTJ states that the imperial fleet at endor is the sector fleet.

John · Post by **John** » 2002-07-23 12:47am

Remember, those 25,000 star destroyers are ONLY destroyers. As far as a WWI or WWII fleet would be concerned, they wouldn't even count toward total fleet strength. At Wake Island in 1941, shore batteries easily disposed of Japanese destroyers. In the Battle of Jutland, destroyers sank after one or two hits from cap ship weapons. When Han said 'the whole star fleet couldn't destroy the entire planet' you can be sure he wasn't talking about ships as trivial as Destroyers.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-23 12:53am

Where the hell have you been???

Star Destroyers, not destroyers, are the largest and most powerful mass produced capital warships of the Star Wars galaxy.

John · Post by **John** » 2002-07-23 12:56am

Remember, there are "a lot of Command Ships!"

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-07-23 01:05am

We argue and argue with Trekkies about Han's claims to the size of the Imperial fleet. Then in RotJ he says there are lots of command ships. Here's my question. Is he just saying that to calm Luke? Or is there really a number of command ships in the Super-Class?

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-23 01:08am

John wrote:Remember, there are "a lot of Command Ships!"

He was refering to the Executor, where Luke said he felt Darth Vader.

John · Post by **John** » 2002-07-23 01:12am

Han could have been using the US Navy term, which would have meant a large, un-armored, slow target for any enemy, that served as a local HQ. Or he might have meant a Fleet Flagship, the largest, most powerful ships around. In any case, a Command Ship would still not be any kind of Destroyer, except in an emergency.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-23 01:16am

Star Destroyer and Super Star Destroyer ( like the Executor) are just names, they are not refering to the actual ship class.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-23 01:16am

Since Han was referring to Executor class cruisers, I have always assumed that the Empire has many Executor class ships, and that Han was reminding Luke that the presence of an Executor class ship did not necessarily mean that Vader was also present. He was telling Luke that it could have merely been another ship (not the Executor). It had nothing to do with the fleet that was actually at Endor, it was a statement about the entire Imperial fleet.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-07-23 01:28am

Remember, those 25,000 star destroyers are ONLY destroyers. As far as a WWI or WWII fleet would be concerned, they wouldn't even count toward total fleet strength. At Wake Island in 1941, shore batteries easily disposed of Japanese destroyers.

There seems to be only the barest form of analogy between SW ship nomenclature and modern, real-life naming schemes. A destroyer was, technically, a ship dedicated towards taking out submarines. And there're no submarines in space...

I wonder if we can come up with a nice standard of ranking the ship classes in SW. SD's and SSD's would definitely be at the top (I'm ignoring ESSD, as it's a specialized ship), and Cruisers would probably be close to them in terms of size. What about Fleet Carriers? Dreadnaughts? Frigates? Corvettes? Gunboats? Picket Ships?

Grand Admiral Chaos · Post by **Grand Admiral Chaos** » 2002-07-23 01:29am

I'm noticing a little confusion over the terms "Star Destroyer" and "destroyer". I don't think there's a need to correct anyone that uses either because in my view they are both correct. I think of both as accurate labels from a naval perspective. The only reason I can see the word "Star" being used to describe Star Destroyers is because it's distinguishing the starship from an oceanic vessel. There are no oceanic vessels in the film, but in the EU there is at least one example of said ocean going ships, though not a destroyer. If there's any evidence this interpretation is wrong, I'd appreciate the info.

Grand Admiral Chaos · Post by **Grand Admiral Chaos** » 2002-07-23 01:39am

Now I have that contrary info.

I take back my statements.

Unless you want to count the Chimaera attacking the Coral Vanda.

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2002-07-23 02:21am

John wrote: Remember, those 25,000 star destroyers are ONLY destroyers. As far as a WWI or WWII fleet would be concerned, they wouldn't even count toward total fleet strength. At Wake Island in 1941, shore batteries easily disposed of Japanese destroyers. In the Battle of Jutland, destroyers sank after one or two hits from cap ship weapons. When Han said 'the whole star fleet couldn't destroy the entire planet' you can be sure he wasn't talking about ships as trivial as Destroyers.

Notice the word STAR in front of it. It isn't a small vessel. it would compare to a heavy crusier in the US navy. The name of Star Destroyer is used as an intimidator.

John · Post by **John** » 2002-07-23 02:28am

So if I call it a StarTank, it's a lot more powerful than a regular tank? Don't go trekkie on us.

Joe Richter · Post by **Joe Richter** » 2002-07-23 05:11am

John wrote:So if I call it a StarTank, it's a lot more powerful than a regular tank? Don't go trekkie on us.

No, because it has the word "star" in front of it, it is obviously not the same as a normal tank. You then have to study it IN RELATION TO other existing vessles of simelar type to assertain its capabilities and size. Assuming a Star destroyer fills a simelar role as modern day destroyers because of one word is foolish.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-07-23 05:12am

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the imperial star destroyer was among the most fearsome weapons of the imperial war machine. with over 25,000 of these awesome ships at his disposal, it is no wonder that emperor palpatine could instill fear into the hearts of the galaxy's citizens.
in addition to it's weaponry, an imperial star destroyer carries one wing of 72 tie fighters, a full storm trooper division, 20 at-ats, and and 30 at-st walkers.

a division, btw, is 9700. . . I dunno about you, but if I was one civilized world, I'd be scared spitless of this thing.

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