Shotguns vs Jedi

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-15 07:08pm

Exonerate wrote: "Commence primary ignition."
*The Death Star Super Laser rushes towards the moon of Yavin 4*
*Luke raises his lightsaber, and deflects it right back.*
"What the... BOOM"

Sounds lie a scene out of a KJA book...

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-11-15 07:24pm

Naw. Luke would dissipate the beam with the Force and then kill everyone onboard the Death Star in a few seconds, then capture it singlehandedly.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2002-11-15 08:22pm

Ender wrote:Problem is that it is often stated that while a jedi can easily move large objects, the fine control needed for small objects is difficult to develop and usually only found in Jedi Masters and powerful knights.

Easier solution is just create a force wall and bleed off the KE.

I think Luke would disagree with you. Besides, it's only if many small objects are to be moved independently.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2002-11-15 08:27pm

KhyronTheBackstabber wrote:Master of Ossus wrote:
You could probably kill them with explosives, or by surprise,
How do you surprise someone who can see things befor they happen?

"Always in motion, is the future."

It's apparently somewhat easier to predict small things a second into the future than the future history of the entire galaxy. Just an example.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-11-15 08:33pm

nightmare wrote:
KhyronTheBackstabber wrote:Master of Ossus wrote:
You could probably kill them with explosives, or by surprise,
How do you surprise someone who can see things befor they happen?
"Always in motion, is the future."

It's apparently somewhat easier to predict small things a second into the future than the future history of the entire galaxy. Just an example.

Isn't that where the jedi reflexes come from? They can sense things right before they happen to them and then react, making it look like they have really good reflexes. However, they can't predict huge things, such as the fate of the galaxy.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-11-15 09:49pm

Which forum should this go in? SW? Other sci-fi?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2002-11-15 10:39pm

They can see things before they happen, by a second or two, and the Force "guides" their actions.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-11-16 01:05am

Luke was also able to see Han and Leia at Cloud City, I think before they even were on the planet, so they do have some future site, but it's not perfect.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-11-16 07:42am

Grand Admiral Thrawn take it to the SW forum!

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2002-11-16 09:08am

neoolong wrote:
nightmare wrote:
KhyronTheBackstabber wrote:Master of Ossus wrote: How do you surprise someone who can see things befor they happen?
"Always in motion, is the future."

It's apparently somewhat easier to predict small things a second into the future than the future history of the entire galaxy. Just an example.
Isn't that where the jedi reflexes come from? They can sense things right before they happen to them and then react, making it look like they have really good reflexes. However, they can't predict huge things, such as the fate of the galaxy.

According to Qui-Gon in TPM, you are correct. Yoda and Palpatine reinforces this interpretation.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-16 09:14am

Pure Star Wars it is

Lt. Nebfer · Post by **Lt. Nebfer** » 2002-11-16 01:45pm

how bout a jedi vs an Mg-42 hehe well if he can beat it how bout the standerd german panzergrendiar platoon from 1944 thy have like 4 of them pluss all the othere weapons thy have.....

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-11-16 02:22pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:HDS, I may be wrong, but I think that was in response to Dooku telling Mace he was surrounded and outnumbered and he says something along the lines of "I don't think so. Geonosians aren't warriors. A Jedi must be worth at least 100 Geonosians." Or something like that. It wasn't during/after the droid attack on the Jedi in the arena.

It was something like that, but I don't remember anything about Geonosians not being warrios, heck, we know they are warriors, we see warriors clearly, and in the Visual Dictionary there is a page about Geonosians and Geonosian Warriors.

Admiral Piett · Post by **Admiral Piett** » 2002-11-16 02:52pm

The jedi military effectiviness in my opinion overrated.In a galaxy where battledroids are churned out in ten thousands on a daily basis and where mile long warships are the norm a bunch of of people armed with lightsaber are definitively not a significant force.How long would they last in an open field against an armored unit? How long would Yoda last with its lightsaber on a planet against the Executor in orbit?
You just need to use against them what would be overkill against normal humans.And in a galaxy of moon sized battlestations overkill is not a good in short supply.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-11-16 02:56pm

Think of the Jedi as commandos.

Admiral Piett · Post by **Admiral Piett** » 2002-11-16 03:05pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:Think of the Jedi as commandos.

That makes sense.Neverthless it does not change the fact that their powers do not make them a significant threat to a conventional SW military.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-11-16 03:08pm

They're keepers of the peace. Not soldiers.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-11-16 04:14pm

anarchistbunny wrote:Luke was also able to see Han and Leia at Cloud City, I think before they even were on the planet, so they do have some future site, but it's not perfect.

Not necessarily true. The whole time thing there is really weird. But future sight is very unpredictible. You don't know exactly when something is going to happen.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-11-16 04:23pm

Yoda said "what you see is the future"

Admiral Piett · Post by **Admiral Piett** » 2002-11-16 04:54pm

neoolong wrote:They're keepers of the peace. Not soldiers.

In order to get that goal you might have to fight from time to time.With a million of worlds I am sure that the necessity would arise in less than 1000 years.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2002-11-16 04:57pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:HDS, I may be wrong, but I think that was in response to Dooku telling Mace he was surrounded and outnumbered and he says something along the lines of "I don't think so. Geonosians aren't warriors. A Jedi must be worth at least 100 Geonosians." Or something like that. It wasn't during/after the droid attack on the Jedi in the arena.
It was something like that, but I don't remember anything about Geonosians not being warrios, heck, we know they are warriors, we see warriors clearly, and in the Visual Dictionary there is a page about Geonosians and Geonosian Warriors.

Mace being an arrogant Jedi? Mace not an expert on Geonosian culture?

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-11-16 05:38pm

Admiral Piett wrote:
neoolong wrote:They're keepers of the peace. Not soldiers.
In order to get that goal you might have to fight from time to time.With a million of worlds I am sure that the necessity would arise in less than 1000 years.

The thing is that there will never be enough Jedi to constitute an army of the Republic. Which is why they were never intended to be one. They may have to do battle, but never in an actual extended campaign. When they were forced to in AOTC they had to resort to using an actual army. They solve disputes before they escalate into war. That is what they were trying to do in TPM. They try to keep the peace, but if war did break out, they are in no way able to stop it by themselves.

pecker · Post by **pecker** » 2002-11-16 05:41pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:Yoda said "what you see is the future"

More of a possible future. And that seemed to be more because it was something bad happening to people he cared for.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2002-11-16 05:49pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:
anarchistbunny wrote:Luke was also able to see Han and Leia at Cloud City, I think before they even were on the planet, so they do have some future site, but it's not perfect.
Not necessarily true. The whole time thing there is really weird. But future sight is very unpredictible. You don't know exactly when something is going to happen.

Or if it will happen at all. Palpatine learned that the hard way..

Admiral Piett · Post by **Admiral Piett** » 2002-11-16 05:53pm

neoolong wrote: The thing is that there will never be enough Jedi to constitute an army of the Republic. Which is why they were never intended to be one. They may have to do battle, but never in an actual extended campaign. When they were forced to in AOTC they had to resort to using an actual army. They solve disputes before they escalate into war. That is what they were trying to do in TPM. They try to keep the peace, but if war did break out, they are in no way able to stop it by themselves.

Still the lack of a military deterrent makes peacekeeping more difficult and in the long term,impossible.What if someone says: We do not accept your solution for the disputes and we are going to seize our objective by force.What will the Jedi do in that case? Common sense dictates that in that case the republic could summon the force of the member worlds or raise an army.Otherwise the thing simply does not work,at least in the long term.