Stray turbolaser bolts and ecological damage

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-11-21 08:55am

No, please get started, you obviously have some serious issues with him.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-21 09:30am

pecker wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
pecker wrote:Endor wasn't fucked by the debris, obviously. Anybody who believes that has too much time on their hands and/or is WAY too cynical.
Look at curtis saxtons' site. Endor is dead as a door nail.
I have. He's wrong.

Don't get me started on Saxton.

Why do I have the feeling you just don't like his conclusions. Frankly he's explained the EU stuff and it doesn't mean Endor is alive. It could be dead and I honest think it is. He's made more of a case.

And the EU also says Ewoks have been wiped out on Endor in Wedges Gamble.

pecker · Post by **pecker** » 2002-11-21 10:10am

His Divine Shadow wrote:No, please get started, you obviously have some serious issues with him.

Nah, I just like that smiley

Besides one or two things, I really don't have a problem.

pecker · Post by **pecker** » 2002-11-21 10:23am

Stormbringer wrote:
pecker wrote:
Stormbringer wrote: Look at curtis saxtons' site. Endor is dead as a door nail.
I have. He's wrong.

Don't get me started on Saxton.
Why do I have the feeling you just don't like his conclusions. Frankly he's explained the EU stuff and it doesn't mean Endor is alive. It could be dead and I honest think it is. He's made more of a case.

And the EU also says Ewoks have been wiped out on Endor in Wedges Gamble.

Lucas would not have made Endor with cute Ewoks if they were to die. I don't care if it's scientifically valid or not. Until Lucas says that Endor died, it's not.

meNNis · Post by **meNNis** » 2002-11-21 11:08am

why the hell does it matter? its just a bunch of damned ewoks people. live or die.. who cares?

pecker · Post by **pecker** » 2002-11-21 11:38am

meNNis wrote:why the hell does it matter? its just a bunch of damned ewoks people. live or die.. who cares?

When I was little, I LIKED the Ewoks

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-21 12:53pm

pecker wrote:
meNNis wrote:why the hell does it matter? its just a bunch of damned ewoks people. live or die.. who cares?
When I was little, I LIKED the Ewoks

Mmmm Ewok. The other other red meat.

Face it, if Lucas wanted the Ewoks tom live he shouldn't have blown up a big metal moon over there planet. They died, period, end of story.

pecker · Post by **pecker** » 2002-11-21 01:15pm

Stormbringer wrote:
pecker wrote:
meNNis wrote:why the hell does it matter? its just a bunch of damned ewoks people. live or die.. who cares?
When I was little, I LIKED the Ewoks
Mmmm Ewok. The other other red meat.

Face it, if Lucas wanted the Ewoks tom live he shouldn't have blown up a big metal moon over there planet. They died, period, end of story.

Explain this:

If the Ewoks were going to die, what was up with the celebration? No one at the party seemed at all concerned that chunks of metal miles wide was going to flatten the planet.

I say the Rebels tractored/vaporized any dangerous pieces of debris before they impacted the planet.

Spartan · Post by **Spartan** » 2002-11-21 04:41pm

Endor is Dead. In Wedges Gamble it explicitly states that the Ewok are exstinct. Unless your willing to chalk it up to imperial propaganda, the official and canon sources indicate the Endor Holocaust did happen.

There was only one shield by the way, and it encircles both the Deathstar and Endor. And the rebel blew it the hell up, remember.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-11-21 04:42pm

Spartan wrote:Endor is Dead. In Wedges Gamble it explicitly states that the Ewok are exstinct. Unless your willing to chalk it up to imperial propaganda, the official and canon sources indicate the Endor Holocaust did happen.

It does? Quotes please, this I gotta see

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2002-11-21 04:49pm

pecker wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
pecker wrote: When I was little, I LIKED the Ewoks
Mmmm Ewok. The other other red meat.

Face it, if Lucas wanted the Ewoks tom live he shouldn't have blown up a big metal moon over there planet. They died, period, end of story.
Explain this:

If the Ewoks were going to die, what was up with the celebration? No one at the party seemed at all concerned that chunks of metal miles wide was going to flatten the planet.

I say the Rebels tractored/vaporized any dangerous pieces of debris before they impacted the planet.

This can be likely. However what about the turbolasers? Maybe it is possible to intentionally make them dissipate, although there is no reason for them to do so

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2002-11-21 05:15pm

Spartan wrote:There was only one shield by the way, and it encircles both the Deathstar and Endor. And the rebel blew it the hell up, remember.

Watch the ROTJ briefing, the shield protecting the DS does NOT circle both the DS and Endor.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-21 05:24pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Spartan wrote:Endor is Dead. In Wedges Gamble it explicitly states that the Ewok are exstinct. Unless your willing to chalk it up to imperial propaganda, the official and canon sources indicate the Endor Holocaust did happen.
It does? Quotes please, this I gotta see

Page 135 of Wedges Gamble at the "Galactic Museum" on Coruscant

"Several displays did provide notation that this planet or that animal had been made extinct on their native worlds by "outlaws and malcontents," and included among such beast were Ewoks-and Imperial taxidermists had taken great pains to make them seem helpless and even more cute then they were in real life. However, despite such propagandistic comments, the displays were impressive and reminded Wedge there was much more to the Empire then he'd consciously acknowledged before."

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-11-21 05:44pm

Sardaukar wrote:
Spartan wrote:There was only one shield by the way, and it encircles both the Deathstar and Endor. And the rebel blew it the hell up, remember.
Watch the ROTJ briefing, the shield protecting the DS does NOT circle both the DS and Endor.

No, but had they have a reserve shield the Ewoks there could of used it as cover.

pecker · Post by **pecker** » 2002-11-21 05:44pm

That quote makes little sense. The Emprie crumbled after Endor, so obviously Ewoks were alive then. Why would they take time to make an Ewok display, considering there was rioting in the streets. How would they come across such information, considering Endor was under Rebel control?

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-11-21 07:19pm

Someone please provide evidence that Endor has been trashed and rendered lifeless. A quote from a book, movie, or from ol' Lucas himself.

Until then, Saxton's notion is just nfity speculation that's contradicted by EU.

As for stray turbolaser blasts from ROTJ... yes, if a stray turbolaser blast had hit Endor, it would have caused a lot of damage. However, we never saw a stray turbolaser blast hit Endor, so we have no reason to assume that one did.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-21 07:39pm

pecker wrote:That quote makes little sense. The Emprie crumbled after Endor, so obviously Ewoks were alive then. Why would they take time to make an Ewok display, considering there was rioting in the streets. How would they come across such information, considering Endor was under Rebel control?

Except they probably bugged out eventually. The Empire staggered along for a while afterwards, the riots were put down. They'd have time to make some propoganda, especially such a gift like that.

And if they could have destroyed a signifigant fraction of the DS2's mass in a shor time then they would have done that instead. And you can vaporise it but the heavy metal vapor would still reach Endor in quantity enough to kill them.

Page 135 of Wedges Gamble at the "Galactic Museum" on Coruscant

"Several displays did provide notation that this planet or that animal had been made extinct on their native worlds by "outlaws and malcontents," and included among such beast were Ewoks-and Imperial taxidermists had taken great pains to make them seem helpless and even more cute then they were in real life. However, despite such propagandistic comments, the displays were impressive and reminded Wedge there was much more to the Empire then he'd consciously acknowledged before."

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-21 07:44pm

pecker wrote:That quote makes little sense. The Emprie crumbled after Endor, so obviously Ewoks were alive then. Why would they take time to make an Ewok display, considering there was rioting in the streets. How would they come across such information, considering Endor was under Rebel control?

Same book deals with that. The rioting was put down with automatic E-11 fire. The planet has hundreds of trillions of people, we saw a a matter of thousands rioting.

pecker · Post by **pecker** » 2002-11-21 08:20pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
pecker wrote:That quote makes little sense. The Emprie crumbled after Endor, so obviously Ewoks were alive then. Why would they take time to make an Ewok display, considering there was rioting in the streets. How would they come across such information, considering Endor was under Rebel control?
Same book deals with that. The rioting was put down with automatic E-11 fire. The planet has hundreds of trillions of people, we saw a a matter of thousands rioting.

Sorry, Ewoks still exist

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2002-11-21 08:32pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Sardaukar wrote:To hell with Saxton's Endor Holocaust. [opinion] The sanctuary moon had a planetary shield, that wasn't linked to the DS2's shield, that remained operational throughout the battle and protected from the DS2's explosion [/opinion]
It's possible and I'd like to believe it but there's no much of an argument to it. The best you've got is the Tydyrium passing through a shield and the EU. Neither is overwhelimng evidence in favor of a healthy Endor.

Perhaps the repulsor device he says is neccessary to keep Endor in its close geosynchronous orbit was not located in combination with the shield generator, and was siezed by the Rebels and used to "push" the debris away from Endor? If it could've held the whole DS in orbit....

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-21 09:16pm

pecker wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:
pecker wrote:That quote makes little sense. The Emprie crumbled after Endor, so obviously Ewoks were alive then. Why would they take time to make an Ewok display, considering there was rioting in the streets. How would they come across such information, considering Endor was under Rebel control?
Same book deals with that. The rioting was put down with automatic E-11 fire. The planet has hundreds of trillions of people, we saw a a matter of thousands rioting.
Sorry, Ewoks still exist

Of course, but they still exist. It's just the Endor population was wiped out along with the bulk of their species.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-21 09:18pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
Sardaukar wrote:To hell with Saxton's Endor Holocaust. [opinion] The sanctuary moon had a planetary shield, that wasn't linked to the DS2's shield, that remained operational throughout the battle and protected from the DS2's explosion [/opinion]
It's possible and I'd like to believe it but there's no much of an argument to it. The best you've got is the Tydyrium passing through a shield and the EU. Neither is overwhelimng evidence in favor of a healthy Endor.
Perhaps the repulsor device he says is neccessary to keep Endor in its close geosynchronous orbit was not located in combination with the shield generator, and was siezed by the Rebels and used to "push" the debris away from Endor? If it could've held the whole DS in orbit....

It's possible but they'd still have to fight the garrison to a stand still in time to get it clear fast enough and they m ight not have been able to.

That's of course assuming the repulsor wasn't destroyed along with the shields.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-21 09:56pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Sardaukar wrote:To hell with Saxton's Endor Holocaust. [opinion] The sanctuary moon had a planetary shield, that wasn't linked to the DS2's shield, that remained operational throughout the battle and protected from the DS2's explosion [/opinion]
It's possible and I'd like to believe it but there's no much of an argument to it. The best you've got is the Tydyrium passing through a shield and the EU. Neither is overwhelimng evidence in favor of a healthy Endor.

EG Aliens and Creatures has a healthy Endor years after ROTJ. Saxton looses.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-21 09:57pm

Stormbringer wrote:Of course, but they still exist. It's just the Endor population was wiped out along with the bulk of their species.

Negative.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-21 11:43pm

Ender wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
Sardaukar wrote:To hell with Saxton's Endor Holocaust. [opinion] The sanctuary moon had a planetary shield, that wasn't linked to the DS2's shield, that remained operational throughout the battle and protected from the DS2's explosion [/opinion]
It's possible and I'd like to believe it but there's no much of an argument to it. The best you've got is the Tydyrium passing through a shield and the EU. Neither is overwhelimng evidence in favor of a healthy Endor.
EG Aliens and Creatures has a healthy Endor years after ROTJ. Saxton looses.

Recolonization is certainly a possibilty. I doubt the Republic would be able not to.