Most incomptent commander in Death Squaderon?

[Acclamator]

Why did Thrawn always see himself different than Vader when he had that tractor beam operator executed in front of his crew?

The guy tried to cover it up, telling lies etc.

If he'd owned up he would probably have been spared.

[HemlockGrey]

Wait, when did Jango see the kamikaze move? Did Obi pull it in the asteroid belt?

When he was standing by an airlock, they opened both the outer and inner doors simultaneously from a remote location, and he was sucked out.

They failed though, because he managed to grab the rim of the airlock and drag himself back inside.

Probably not the wisest decision of their lives.

[IRG CommandoJoe]

The tractor beam operator didn't tell lies. He wasn't trained properly. So he got killed for not being trained properly.

[Stormbringer]

The tractor beam operator didn't tell lies. He wasn't trained properly. So he got killed for not being trained properly.

Don't bring that up. But it's the general consensus that the operator was lying and Thrawn new it. Although Zahn deliberately wrote that ambiguosly.

[IRG CommandoJoe]

The tractor beam operator didn't tell lies. He wasn't trained properly. So he got killed for not being trained properly.

Don't bring that up. But it's the general consensus that the operator was lying and Thrawn new it. Although Zahn deliberately wrote that ambiguosly.

You're blatantly saying not to bring it up because it's a fact you want to ignore? I just re-read the scene in the book and there is nothing about the operator lying. The only thing that remotely suggests he lied is this:

"Pieterson started to gesture to the side, changed his mind in midmotion."

p.g. 184 of Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire.

Now just because he "changed his mind in midmotion" of how to explain the situation to Thrawn does not mean he was lying. He was just nervous and his thoughts weren't coherent. Wouldn't any ensign be nervous as hell when a grand admiral left his bridge to personally questioned him on why he made a mistake? Thrawn killed him because he screwed up. Just like the way Vader killed his inferiors for screwing up. Thrawn himself even said that Pieterson didn't make an error but a mistake. However both Pieterson and his commanding officer, Colclazure, both explained to Thrawn why it was not Pieterson's fault and that there was nothing he could have done to prevent Luke from escaping.

[Kuja]

He doesn't want you to bring it up because it's been argued to death multiple times.

But it's the general consensus that the operator was lying and Thrawn new it.

This is the conclusion we've argued to each time. Don't hijack the thread.

[IRG CommandoJoe]

But can you tell me the reason WHY you believe he was lying?

[Stormbringer]

But can you tell me the reason WHY you believe he was lying?

Because his superior said he had recieved the training. And Thrawn isn't the kind of guy to kill someone just for a reasonable mistake.

[IRG CommandoJoe]

Yes he received training covering, as Colclazure says, "loss of lock and subsequent reestablishment confirmation." But, as Pieterson says, "THe computer lost the lock, but seemed to pick it up again right away. There was no way for me to know it had really picked up something else until-" And then Thrawn cuts him off with, "Until the proton torpedoes detonated against the projector?" According to Pieterson and Colclazure the training was not enough to help Pieterson in that situation. Thrawn must have realized this. So then why do you determine that Thrawn killed him not because he screwed up, but because he lied and could have done it differently?

[Stormbringer]

There's more that quote, making it clear that he should have know he picked up a pair of terpedoes.

I'm not going to argue with you because it's been DONE TO DEATH! And do to the subjective nature of it, the scene is ambiguous.

[IRG CommandoJoe]

I'd type it up here and analyze it but I get the feeling doing so would just result in getting my posts deleted, the thread locked for being hijacked, etc....so fugetaboutit. Maybe I'll start a new thread tomorrow. lol

[Lord Pounder]

Vader was a Sith, they don't hand out flowers and chocolate, they force choak bastards who screw it. It had to have worked somewhat. The Executor had the most efficient crew in the fleet.

[jegs2]

Who is more incomptent for they were both killed by Lord Vader for there incomptenicy!!!

Ozzel was plainly incompetent. He was likely even a decent captain, but he never should have been placed in command of an entire fleet. Needa simply made a mistake, and he should not have suffered Ozzel's fate. Needa's death was due solely to Vader's lack of patience.

[Stormbringer]

Who is more incomptent for they were both killed by Lord Vader for there incomptenicy!!!

Ozzel was plainly incompetent. He was likely even a decent captain, but he never should have been placed in command of an entire fleet. Needa simply made a mistake, and he should not have suffered Ozzel's fate. Needa's death was due solely to Vader's lack of patience.

Ozzel was an Admiral at the time of ESB, EU may vary that. He really shouldn't have made such a dumb mistake if he's an Admiral in a prestigious command.

[Lord Pounder]

"He's as clumsey as he is stupid"

If Ozzel had of exited lightspeed a wee bit earlier the fleet could have creeped up on Hoth and caught the Rebels with their pants down. General Reakin even says "with all this meterior activiity it'll be hard to detect approaching ships"

[consequences]

If Vader had payed attention to shipboard activity on the way in he could have prevented Ozzel's mistake.

[Sardaukar]

Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?