Moderator: Vympel
I writhe corrected. It is entirely possible they had millions upon millions of clones on the way in other cities.Ender wrote:Why? They could have meant just that perticular plant, not al the plants in the city, and there were multiple cities. This was a civilization wide project for the Kaminoians, remember?Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:Don't think there were any OTHER facilities.
And that's probably the case. It's what I thought immediately as well. Sifo-Dyas was killed "before that" (I assume before the order was placed) according to Obi-Wan, so I think it was Darth Tyranus (Dooku). Notice that Jango Fett quite frankly tells Obi-Wan that he was hired to provide the clonetrooper template by "a man called Tyranus ..."Tsyroc wrote:Lucas also said another interesting thing about the clones. He said that in the next film we would find out who actually placed the order for the army. This certainly makes me curious because I'd always assumed that Dooku had wacked Syfo Dias and misrepresented himself to the Kaminonans.
It was just the way Lucas said it. He made it sound like there might be a surprise in store for us. Of course, I could be hearing things because I keep waiting for the ESB ("I'm your father"), RotJ (Leia's my sister) type revealation. We really haven't had anything like that in Ep I-II.Vympel wrote:And that's probably the case. It's what I thought immediately as well. Sifo-Dyas was killed "before that" (I assume before the order was placed) according to Obi-Wan, so I think it was Darth Tyranus (Dooku). Notice that Jango Fett quite frankly tells Obi-Wan that he was hired to provide the clonetrooper template by "a man called Tyranus ..."Tsyroc wrote:Lucas also said another interesting thing about the clones. He said that in the next film we would find out who actually placed the order for the army. This certainly makes me curious because I'd always assumed that Dooku had wacked Syfo Dias and misrepresented himself to the Kaminonans.
MACE WINDU DID IT! MACE IS EVIL!!!!!!Tsyroc wrote:It was just the way Lucas said it. He made it sound like there might be a surprise in store for us. Of course, I could be hearing things because I keep waiting for the ESB ("I'm your father"), RotJ (Leia's my sister) type revealation. We really haven't had anything like that in Ep I-II.Vympel wrote:And that's probably the case. It's what I thought immediately as well. Sifo-Dyas was killed "before that" (I assume before the order was placed) according to Obi-Wan, so I think it was Darth Tyranus (Dooku). Notice that Jango Fett quite frankly tells Obi-Wan that he was hired to provide the clonetrooper template by "a man called Tyranus ..."Tsyroc wrote:Lucas also said another interesting thing about the clones. He said that in the next film we would find out who actually placed the order for the army. This certainly makes me curious because I'd always assumed that Dooku had wacked Syfo Dias and misrepresented himself to the Kaminonans.
I started thinking that too.Vympel wrote:
MACE WINDU DID IT! MACE IS EVIL!!!!!!
Who else thinks Mace is evil?
At least the bit about him ordering the army. He's got those shifty badass eyes you may be onto somthing...MACE WINDU DID IT! MACE IS EVIL!!!!!!
Who else thinks Mace is evil?
Qui-Gon ... now THAT would be interesting heheheheTsyroc wrote:I started thinking that too.Vympel wrote:
MACE WINDU DID IT! MACE IS EVIL!!!!!!
Who else thinks Mace is evil?
If Lucas is going to surprise us on who ordered the Army the only people I can see having done so, and be of any interest to us, are Mace and Qui-Gon.
Mace would be the more believable choice, since he's a bad ass and a senior member of the Jedi Council.
Qui-Gon would have had a very small window of oportunity to place the order and he would have to keep it secret from Obi-Wan.
Why does anyone think that Zahn wrote that Pelleaon during his service in the Republic Navy had fought off insane and uberdestructive clones?Mr Bean wrote:He's got those shifty badass eyes you may be onto somthing...MACE WINDU DID IT! MACE IS EVIL!!!!!!
Who else thinks Mace is evil?
According to the ORGIONAL plot Lucus came up with, the Clone Wars where a NASTY five years when Clone Armys came into thier own then the Clones Rebelled and started going on an intergalatic rampage, BDZ planets and generaly killing things
Which would be an excellent plot for 3 trying to stop the now EVIL Clones before they kill us all, Don't worry says Papy I'll stop em!
unfourtantly does not look like its going to go that way
Lama Su would have mentioned all the clones that were ready.It made zero sense in the context of that conversation mentioning the ready clones of only one facility,unless Palpatine had awarded cloning contracts to others people he was not aware of.And a draft would make available an obscenely high number of people.It would be much better using volunteers.Cyril wrote:...
I still think my idea about multiple facilities and eventually disbanded levies is the best. So there.
Only if used properly. In an all-out war he has more guns and men tends to win.Smiling Bandit wrote:Either way, a small number of perfectly trained, well equipped troops can be an awesome scythe for thine enemies. Numbers can be less important.
After some analysis, it seems as though the numbers of clones are as small as they appeared to be, but it also appears as though the presence of any clonetroopers was a complete surprise to Count Duko and his allies, who expected to send their droid army against a defenseless Republic, protected only by the Jedi. Likely, after passage of the Military Creation Act, Palpatine did not limit his efforts strictly to clonetroopers....[/list]Acclamator wrote:I was wondering this. It seemed rather odd, given the scale of the Republic and also some of its planets (such as Coruscant) with populations of trillions, that "250,000 units ready with a million more well on the way" would even come close to filling the role of "Grand Army of the Republic".
When you consider that on a single planet, Earth, with a population of a mere six billion, one country (China) has a standing army of 2 million.
The thing is, there representative then went on to say that if more clones where needed they'd need more time. Since they take ten years to grow clones, this suggests that the whole army is only 1.2 million total. It doesn’t make a lot sense to talk about additional orders if you've only mentioned a small fraction of the original to someone who knows nothing about them.Vympel wrote:I don't think the Clones thing represents that many problems.
200,000 units ready now- ok fine
1,000,000 more "well on the way"- what's well on the way? Ready in a week, a month, six months, a year? For all we know, it could be 200,000 units every day (not saying it is, it's just that the quote leaves much room for interpretation)!
Also, notice his comment about "half the time".
Like Cyril said, the cloners were all too willing to run their mouths off to Obi-Wan because they thought he knew what was going on. For all we know, he could be saying if you want a new total order of another 100,000,000 clones ....Sea Skimmer wrote:
The thing is, there representative then went on to say that if more clones where needed they'd need more time. Since they take ten years to grow clones, this suggests that the whole army is only 1.2 million total. It doesn’t make a lot sense to talk about additional orders if you've only mentioned a small fraction of the original to someone who knows nothing about them.
Which could be ready only in ten years.Since each single clone takes ten years to grow there is no way to get them faster.Vympel wrote:Like Cyril said, the cloners were all too willing to run their mouths off to Obi-Wan because they thought he knew what was going on. For all we know, he could be saying if you want a new total order of another 100,000,000 clones ....
Possibly. How is this a problem?Admiral Piett wrote:Which could be ready only in ten years.Since each single clone takes ten years to grow there is no way to get them faster.
Ah k fair enough.Admiral Piett wrote:"Possibly. How is this a problem?"
Even if you laid down a million of clones tomorrow they will not be ready before ten years.Which means that you will have to wage the war with clones you have started to prepare ten years ago.The implications should be obvious.You have only the clones that you have prepared.You cannot replace losses/enlarge the army increasing the production,because those additional clones will not be online before ten years.There is no way to get wartime clones,unless the war lasted more than ten years or you were willing to accelerate growth time,with the penalty of a lower quality.Droids on the other hand can be brought online much faster.Just set up the factory and start to build them.
"What the 'half the time' comment in reference to, btw?"
Lama Su said that the clones were engineered to accelearate the growth rate.They grow in half the time.
