Should We See This in ROTS (SPOILAGE)

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-04-19 03:31pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:That's not the final art though; GL didn't like the construction droids for one.

Yes. Supposedly the Geonosians built the death stars and died on them in his mind.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-04-20 12:01pm

I think it was because they were too big or something. Wanted smaller construction droids or something.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-04-20 12:34pm

Pleaseletitbesopleaseletitbeso...

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-04-20 05:26pm

NecronLord wrote:Pleaseletitbesopleaseletitbeso...

My god, you´re trekking off today. What is it with you and geonosians?

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-04-20 08:32pm

It doesn't make a smidgen of difference in any respect.

That the Death Star was built in secret over many years is canon fact- ANH novelization. Upper limit for this construction is 19 years.

This is supposed to "debunk" Imperial construction capabilities? Erm, how? Firstly, run a calc on how many ISDs you could build in that time by volume and tell me if it's not obscene.

Second, the Death Star II took upper limit 3 years to get to it's 60% completion. And it was bigger.

I just don't get why any of you care.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-04-21 02:53am

VT-16 wrote:My god, you´re trekking off today. What is it with you and geonosians?

Trekking off? You do know that the 'pleaseletitbeso' thing was a joke, right?

I find the idea of Geonosians having, well, anything to do with the actual construction of the Death Star so very bizzare that it should not be gone with at all in any way shape or form.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-04-21 03:20am

Trekking off? You do know that the 'pleaseletitbeso' thing was a joke, right?

Yes, I was just a bit shocked at all the attention you were giving this one little thing.

I find the idea of Geonosians having, well, anything to do with the actual construction of the Death Star so very bizzare that it should not be gone with at all in any way shape or form.

Well, they could be overseeing things due to having a great deal to do with it´s internal workings. And spending hundreds of thousands of worker drones on dangerous jobs inside the superstructure sounds like typical Imperial behaviour, if you ask me. And I do like the idea of six feet tall bugs helping to design a planet-destroying battle station. Judge me by my wings, do you? And well you should not, for my ally is the Empire!

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2005-04-21 04:46am

Vympel wrote:It doesn't make a smidgen of difference in any respect.

That the Death Star was built in secret over many years is canon fact- ANH novelization. Upper limit for this construction is 19 years.

Two years according to the DS:TM.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2005-04-21 07:59pm

Vympel wrote:Second, the Death Star II took upper limit 3 years to get to it's 60% completion. And it was bigger.

Didn't Shadows of the Empire definitively say it was 6 months?

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-04-21 08:36pm

I've never heard the quote from SotE to that effect, so I'm sticking with the upper limit for now.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-21 08:39pm

FTeik wrote:
Vympel wrote:It doesn't make a smidgen of difference in any respect.

That the Death Star was built in secret over many years is canon fact- ANH novelization. Upper limit for this construction is 19 years.
Two years according to the DS:TM.

The book is called the Death Star Technical Companion.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2005-04-22 12:34am

Vympel wrote: That the Death Star was built in secret over many years is canon fact- ANH novelization. Upper limit for this construction is 19 years.

Less, probably. Aside from the Maw installation prototype, there's also the Eye of Palpatine, which while not as large as the DS1, was nearly its equal in power generation (and traded the single big superlaser for lots of guns). And given what we see in ROTS, its quite possible that the "Death Star" we see in the movie will be nothing like the OT DS (its not as if the Tantive IV looks like the ANH Blockade Runner, after all.)

IIRC the DSTC does refer to '"prototypes" in the plural also, implying more than one migth have been built.

I just don't get why any of you care.

Some care because there's only so much a certain "argument" can be expected to excuse, ,apparently. I've seen suggestions for a good many multiple prototypes existing before the "final" DS we see in the movies.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2005-04-22 12:34am

FTeik wrote:
Vympel wrote:It doesn't make a smidgen of difference in any respect.

That the Death Star was built in secret over many years is canon fact- ANH novelization. Upper limit for this construction is 19 years.

Two years according to the DS:TM.

Where was that stated?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-04-22 12:38am

He just said the Death Star Technical Manual.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-22 12:39am

I think he means where in the book.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2005-04-22 12:41am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I think he means where in the book.

Yes. Chapter, page number, section, whatnot.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2005-04-22 06:05pm

To answer Connors question, i have looked through "Das Technische Handbuch des Todessterns" or "DeathStar Technical Companion" (erronously back-translated into english as DeathStar TechnualManuel) to find the quote.

To my shame i nowhere found it.

However, i'm sure, that i read in an official source, that "for two years the empire put all available resources into the project".

The problem with this quote of course is, that it is contradicted by the ISB (and that quote exists), that claims: "The Death Star Project is an example of a priority sector into which the Empire poured resources enough to have formed perhaps a score of Sector Groups." in its first chapters in the section about Grandmoffs and Priority-sectors.

So it could be, that the only part true from the first quote is the thing with the two years. I will also take a look into the EssentialChronology, just to make sure.

I would have also tried a look at HisDivineShadows page and database, but unfortunately it is gone.