Hutts as Jedi Knights?

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-11-30 08:12pm

CmdrWilkens wrote:
neoolong wrote:
Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:How's this for weird - a ROBOT Jedi? It's in one of the comcis somewhere, Chippy the robot Jedi.
4-LOM also wanted to become a jedi. Though a droid jedi is weird considering what was said in TPM. Midichlorians, while they don't cause the force, are necessary for people to be force sensitive right? But they are in living matter, not droids, so it wouldn't be possible for a straight droid to be a jedi.
The relationship between midichlorians and the Force is so debateable that it would be hard to rule out anyone becoming a Jedi on those grounds alone.

It seemed to me that TPM said that midichlorians are the things that communicate with the Force. Therefore, while all life has it and it does not make everyone a jedi, it is nonetheless a prerequisite to force sensitivity. That is my theory based on the movie.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-30 09:04pm

Mr. Mister wrote:Master of Ossus, you're quite right. Not to mention, the Jedi-as-Warriors thing, well, I'd say that's almost a brain-bug (which unfortunately has affect Lucas). Going by the two Jedi we see in ANH, TESB, and ROTJ, combat skills are about as important a concern for Jedi as fluency in Thai is for a paramedic in New York City. Yeah, it can be really useful, but it's not a job requirement, and it's almost irrelevant.

Personally, as soon as I stopped laughing when Yoda took on Dooku, I felt like vomiting, as I realized that it was one of the most severe mischaracterizations I'd ever seen. And by the character's creator, no less.

I just have difficulty accepting that Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda from these two movies are the same Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda from the other 3. They're so... different.

The Force appears to grant combat ABILITIES, but combat is not the goal of the Jedi. Jocasta Nu, for example, is clearly not a combat-oriented Jedi.

Incidentally, is your name a reference to Major Major Major Major?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-30 09:40pm

Mr. Mister wrote:Master of Ossus, you're quite right. Not to mention, the Jedi-as-Warriors thing, well, I'd say that's almost a brain-bug (which unfortunately has affect Lucas). Going by the two Jedi we see in ANH, TESB, and ROTJ, combat skills are about as important a concern for Jedi as fluency in Thai is for a paramedic in New York City. Yeah, it can be really useful, but it's not a job requirement, and it's almost irrelevant.

While fighting is to be avoided and some Jedi don't have much skill in that direction: They're called Jedi Knights for a reason. They're too act as peacekeepers and have the skills in most cases to back it up. The vast majority of the Jedi are training to act as warrior-statesmen.

And lets not forget that one of the important badges of a Jedi is the lightsaber. Hardly the mark of an organization of pacifits.

Mr. Mister wrote:Personally, as soon as I stopped laughing when Yoda took on Dooku, I felt like vomiting, as I realized that it was one of the most severe mischaracterizations I'd ever seen. And by the character's creator, no less.

I just have difficulty accepting that Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda from these two movies are the same Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda from the other 3. They're so... different.

I don't think they are so different. Circumstance have certianly changed them. Twenty some years and seeing everything you knew, strove for and loved come crashing down with yourself to blame will change anyone. We're seeing them as young characters, they're far removed from the people they were. After such and upheaval I can see how they'd change.

And Obi-wan seems a lot like he should. There are hints in ANH and the rest of the OT that he was a lot more cocky and less contemplative in his youth than he was in the OT. And he sounds a lot like Qui-gon did.

Post by **Coyote** » 2002-11-30 11:04pm

I don't think Yoda was out of his element in the second movie; he was a Jedi of the warrior caste (God, sounds Minbari) and trained Luke in combat as well as mental techniques. He was clearly tired and struggling by the time the combat was over, and he had to drop everything to save Obi-Wan and Anakin...

I got a clear line of character development from each of the characters; I even did a double take at the line Obi-Wan says in AotC at the beginning of the movei: "You'l be the death of me someday, Anakin." "Don't talk like that, Master."

And in TPM, I got the impression that midichlorians are a result of having the force-- they are attracted to a person who has strong force ability, not the cause of it.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-12-02 08:19pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:Were you inspired by my thread about Kaminoan Jedi or so??

I was inspired by my nephew asking me if Hutts could be jedis. He thought the idea of Jubba trying to perform combat moves like Yoda pretty fun.

Zaku-chan · Post by **Zaku-chan** » 2002-12-05 12:11pm

Was Beldorian a good guy or a bad guy?

I've seen all this about him being a Jedi, but I also heard he started a duel with Leia. Whose side was he on?

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-12-05 02:32pm

Could Jabba have been pregnant?Hutts are Asexual and the blking upp could do with one growing a child

Zaku-chan · Post by **Zaku-chan** » 2002-12-05 02:34pm

Typhonis 1 wrote:Could Jabba have been pregnant?Hutts are Asexual and the blking upp could do with one growing a child

Erg...making them asexual was a dumb move. Before that, we had male and female Hutts. Now they say one side is dominant. Yeah.

Post by **Coyote** » 2002-12-05 05:27pm

Zaku-chan wrote:
Typhonis 1 wrote:Could Jabba have been pregnant?Hutts are Asexual and the blking upp could do with one growing a child
Erg...making them asexual was a dumb move. Before that, we had male and female Hutts. Now they say one side is dominant. Yeah.

So which side would say "Yes Dear" and take out-- er-- eat the garbage? Who gets who a beer when their watching the game?

Zaku-chan · Post by **Zaku-chan** » 2002-12-05 07:09pm

Coyote wrote:So which side would say "Yes Dear" and take out-- er-- eat the garbage? Who gets who a beer when their watching the game?

???

What are you talking about?

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2002-12-05 08:20pm

Zaku-chan wrote:Was Beldorian a good guy or a bad guy?

I've seen all this about him being a Jedi, but I also heard he started a duel with Leia. Whose side was he on?

He was trained as a Jedi Knight during the OR, helped Dyzm trying to take over the galaxy, and tried to control Leia. She chopped him up. I guess that makes him one of the bad guys.

Post by **Coyote** » 2002-12-05 09:37pm

Zaku-chan wrote:
Coyote wrote:So which side would say "Yes Dear" and take out-- er-- eat the garbage? Who gets who a beer when their watching the game?
???

What are you talking about?

Why, the male or female Hutts. One is male and one is female at different life-cycle phases, yet the Hutts are technically asexual-- so it came down one of them being dominant and one being submissive.

Hence, the "Yes, Dear" question.

Zaku-chan · Post by **Zaku-chan** » 2002-12-06 12:23am

nightmare wrote:He was trained as a Jedi Knight during the OR, helped Dyzm trying to take over the galaxy, and tried to control Leia. She chopped him up. I guess that makes him one of the bad guys.

Figures. I'd like to see a Hutt on the good guy's side.

Why, the male or female Hutts. One is male and one is female at different life-cycle phases, yet the Hutts are technically asexual-- so it came down one of them being dominant and one being submissive.

Hence, the "Yes, Dear" question.

Oh.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2002-12-07 04:34am

That reminds me of the Jabba "skin" for Jedi Outcast, man that's a laugh-riot to use. ; )