KJA's Jedi Acedemy series-somethings bugging me.
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zuh?
I don't know enough about Mara Jade to be of much use, but I will say this:
Just because she was trained by Palpatine doesn't mean she was fully trained. She was a specific use tool. He may have trained her just enough to do what he wanted done. That and he may have also forced her (no pun) to rely on his power as well. Both circumstances would have the noted effects when Mara denied her Force potential and then later began to re-explore it. But really, I'm talking out of my ass I don't know.
The problem with Kyp was that he was a strong adept Force user. With only a little training he was able to focus his mind to do things others could not. This fed into his abused loner psyche and he fed his negative emotions. (Exar Kun certainly didn't help.) His anger, hatred and ego fed his abilities culminating in some horrible deeds costing thousands (millions? can't recall) their lives. The key was that it wasn't all Kyp doing it. Exar Kun, the circular feeding of the Dark Side (anger and hate makes it powerful making your potential for anger and hate stronger making it more powerful, etc).
The bottom line is that I rarely like the resolutions in fiction. Kyp should have been punished, not forgiven. That is a mistake Luke made and it came back to bite them all. I don't like how all is well with the universe at the end of ROTJ. Vader killed Palpatine. Great! Wonderful! Now what about the rest of the Jedi that he killed? Bah!
Just because she was trained by Palpatine doesn't mean she was fully trained. She was a specific use tool. He may have trained her just enough to do what he wanted done. That and he may have also forced her (no pun) to rely on his power as well. Both circumstances would have the noted effects when Mara denied her Force potential and then later began to re-explore it. But really, I'm talking out of my ass I don't know.
The problem with Kyp was that he was a strong adept Force user. With only a little training he was able to focus his mind to do things others could not. This fed into his abused loner psyche and he fed his negative emotions. (Exar Kun certainly didn't help.) His anger, hatred and ego fed his abilities culminating in some horrible deeds costing thousands (millions? can't recall) their lives. The key was that it wasn't all Kyp doing it. Exar Kun, the circular feeding of the Dark Side (anger and hate makes it powerful making your potential for anger and hate stronger making it more powerful, etc).
The bottom line is that I rarely like the resolutions in fiction. Kyp should have been punished, not forgiven. That is a mistake Luke made and it came back to bite them all. I don't like how all is well with the universe at the end of ROTJ. Vader killed Palpatine. Great! Wonderful! Now what about the rest of the Jedi that he killed? Bah!
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Good....David wrote:Now your starting to scare me.His Divine Shadow wrote:Yes, lets all kill Corran Horn!!!
Beware, your monkies are next
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Uhm.. BOH!IG-88E wrote:*Corran uses his Jedi reflexes to duck the bullet. He pulls out a lightsaber and begins running towards Shadow.
IG pulls out a blaster and begins running towards Shadow.
Your turn, your Divine Shadowness.
*Corran runs away*
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who did not.
COWARD!!!! *shoots Corran in the back*
Now, Shadow, I'm gonna*phone rings*uh, just a sec. Hello...no...no, why...you want WHAT on the ceiling?!...no!...um, OK...yeah...large...ok, later. *hangs up*
Sorry, I got things to attend to. *tosses Shadow the blaster* here, you can finish, just shoot yourself for me OK? *gets on starship, leaves*
Now, Shadow, I'm gonna*phone rings*uh, just a sec. Hello...no...no, why...you want WHAT on the ceiling?!...no!...um, OK...yeah...large...ok, later. *hangs up*
Sorry, I got things to attend to. *tosses Shadow the blaster* here, you can finish, just shoot yourself for me OK? *gets on starship, leaves*
JADAFETWA
"Uh, you've got that backwards. Reread this passage here:
"This is Captain Corran Horn of the New Republic Armed Forces. I will accept your surrender."
A woman answered me. "Don't you know, Invids never surrender"
"Not true of the Booty Full."
"Riizolo is a fool, but he doesn't have a capital warrant on his head. I do." She laughed. "One pass, Horn. You and me."
"You'll die." A single pass would negate the clutch's agility advantage. She had to know that.
"But perhaps not alone."........."Allow me this honor."
I wanted to do as she asked and would have, except for one thing: the Invids had proved over and over again that they had no honor.
Corran gave her a chance to surrender and she BLEW IT! He could've just blown her away without speaking, but he gave her a chance. When she decided to throw her life away, he used a torp rather idiotically going head-to-head and risking his life."
What chance would that be? She had a capital warrant on her head. We know pirates are treated pretty severe, but Captain Riizolo thought he could still be okay. This most likely explanation is that a capital warrant equals a death warrant. It's the choice between death and execution.
Even though I don't have the book with me, I seem to remember that Corran accepted her challenge, lasers only. He knew nothing about her, but she was an Invid, and all Invids lacked honor.
"Um, excuse me, but Corran got thrown around by Exar Kun shortly before his confrontation of Luke. He was shown images of his father, mother, wife, friends, and UNBORN SON all telling him he was a fool and they hated him. That's not getten hit where it frickin hurts?"
IIRC Exar Kun showed him these images. That Corran actually believed them is was own problem.
"Corran almost slipped over to the dark side there, but managed to stop himself. Man, I wanna hear your idea of "hit where it hurts."
Maybe like having your mentor killed, your childhood friend killed, your hand cut off, and knowing that the Galaxy's no. 2 monster is your father? THAT is being hit where it hurts. Having someone show you illusions of people that do not even exist telling you you're stupid seems pretty tame in comparison.
"This is Captain Corran Horn of the New Republic Armed Forces. I will accept your surrender."
A woman answered me. "Don't you know, Invids never surrender"
"Not true of the Booty Full."
"Riizolo is a fool, but he doesn't have a capital warrant on his head. I do." She laughed. "One pass, Horn. You and me."
"You'll die." A single pass would negate the clutch's agility advantage. She had to know that.
"But perhaps not alone."........."Allow me this honor."
I wanted to do as she asked and would have, except for one thing: the Invids had proved over and over again that they had no honor.
Corran gave her a chance to surrender and she BLEW IT! He could've just blown her away without speaking, but he gave her a chance. When she decided to throw her life away, he used a torp rather idiotically going head-to-head and risking his life."
What chance would that be? She had a capital warrant on her head. We know pirates are treated pretty severe, but Captain Riizolo thought he could still be okay. This most likely explanation is that a capital warrant equals a death warrant. It's the choice between death and execution.
Even though I don't have the book with me, I seem to remember that Corran accepted her challenge, lasers only. He knew nothing about her, but she was an Invid, and all Invids lacked honor.
"Um, excuse me, but Corran got thrown around by Exar Kun shortly before his confrontation of Luke. He was shown images of his father, mother, wife, friends, and UNBORN SON all telling him he was a fool and they hated him. That's not getten hit where it frickin hurts?"
IIRC Exar Kun showed him these images. That Corran actually believed them is was own problem.
"Corran almost slipped over to the dark side there, but managed to stop himself. Man, I wanna hear your idea of "hit where it hurts."
Maybe like having your mentor killed, your childhood friend killed, your hand cut off, and knowing that the Galaxy's no. 2 monster is your father? THAT is being hit where it hurts. Having someone show you illusions of people that do not even exist telling you you're stupid seems pretty tame in comparison.
Björn Paulsen
"Travelers with closed minds can tell us little except about themselves."
--Chinua Achebe
"Travelers with closed minds can tell us little except about themselves."
--Chinua Achebe
To tell which is harder(Though I must point out that Luke had most of these all spread out)
Heres a simple test you can do
Go into the Bathroom Repeat I'm an idiot 100 times note how angery and annoyed are or arn't
Then go back and picture dead friends
Then half an hour later go back hit your hand hard on the Counter and say my fathers Hitler
Note your annoyed and angreyness and compare the two levels
Heres a simple test you can do
Go into the Bathroom Repeat I'm an idiot 100 times note how angery and annoyed are or arn't
Then go back and picture dead friends
Then half an hour later go back hit your hand hard on the Counter and say my fathers Hitler
Note your annoyed and angreyness and compare the two levels
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Quote: "What chance would that be? She had a capital warrant on her head. We know pirates are treated pretty severe, but Captain Riizolo thought he could still be okay. This most likely explanation is that a capital warrant equals a death warrant. It's the choice between death and execution."
Execution would probably be less painful...and besides, he did not accept her challenge, in any way, shape or form. He considered it, but never voiced an acceptance.
Quote: "Maybe like having your mentor killed, your childhood friend killed, your hand cut off, and knowing that the Galaxy's no. 2 monster is your father? THAT is being hit where it hurts. Having someone show you illusions of people that do not even exist telling you you're stupid seems pretty tame in comparison."
Corran lost both of his parents within a year: his mother to a landspeeder accident, his father to a bountry hunt gone wrong. Luke never had the pain of losing his mother. Corran's probably been through bacta tanks more times than Luke can count.
When Corran lost his father, Hal never had a chance to say "You were right" or anything of reasurrance to him. Then, when Corran arrested Bossk for murder (his father wasn't the target), he was released on a technicality. That's not getting hit where it hurts?
But this is all besides the point. What Corran says to Luke is in essence: "Yes, you've had hardship, but so have I. You have no right to tell me what I can and cannot accomplish." Both of them have had good and bad times, but Luke doesn't realize that Corran might have self-control nearly equal to his own.
Execution would probably be less painful...and besides, he did not accept her challenge, in any way, shape or form. He considered it, but never voiced an acceptance.
Quote: "Maybe like having your mentor killed, your childhood friend killed, your hand cut off, and knowing that the Galaxy's no. 2 monster is your father? THAT is being hit where it hurts. Having someone show you illusions of people that do not even exist telling you you're stupid seems pretty tame in comparison."
Corran lost both of his parents within a year: his mother to a landspeeder accident, his father to a bountry hunt gone wrong. Luke never had the pain of losing his mother. Corran's probably been through bacta tanks more times than Luke can count.
When Corran lost his father, Hal never had a chance to say "You were right" or anything of reasurrance to him. Then, when Corran arrested Bossk for murder (his father wasn't the target), he was released on a technicality. That's not getting hit where it hurts?
But this is all besides the point. What Corran says to Luke is in essence: "Yes, you've had hardship, but so have I. You have no right to tell me what I can and cannot accomplish." Both of them have had good and bad times, but Luke doesn't realize that Corran might have self-control nearly equal to his own.
JADAFETWA
When Corran lost his father, Hal never had a chance to say "You were right" or anything of reasurrance to him. Then, when Corran arrested Bossk for murder (his father wasn't the target), he was released on a technicality. That's not getting hit where it hurts?
Then he said that the rest of the police department said they would cover his ass if he killed Bossk. He didn't, and that showed a lot of restaint.
"Execution would probably be less painful...and besides, he did not accept her challenge, in any way, shape or form. He considered it, but never voiced an acceptance."
In that case, you're right and I'm wrong. Point conceded.
"Corran lost both of his parents within a year: his mother to a landspeeder accident, his father to a bountry hunt gone wrong. Luke never had the pain of losing his mother. Corran's probably been through bacta tanks more times than Luke can count."
Yes he did. Owen and Beru Lars were his defacto parents.
"When Corran lost his father, Hal never had a chance to say "You were right" or anything of reasurrance to him. Then, when Corran arrested Bossk for murder (his father wasn't the target), he was released on a technicality. That's not getting hit where it hurts?"
Ok, you're right.
"But this is all besides the point. What Corran says to Luke is in essence: "Yes, you've had hardship, but so have I. You have no right to tell me what I can and cannot accomplish." Both of them have had good and bad times, but Luke doesn't realize that Corran might have self-control nearly equal to his own."
Ok, that's true. I still feel that Corran is arrogant, cocksure and vain, but I retract the other statements.
In that case, you're right and I'm wrong. Point conceded.
"Corran lost both of his parents within a year: his mother to a landspeeder accident, his father to a bountry hunt gone wrong. Luke never had the pain of losing his mother. Corran's probably been through bacta tanks more times than Luke can count."
Yes he did. Owen and Beru Lars were his defacto parents.
"When Corran lost his father, Hal never had a chance to say "You were right" or anything of reasurrance to him. Then, when Corran arrested Bossk for murder (his father wasn't the target), he was released on a technicality. That's not getting hit where it hurts?"
Ok, you're right.
"But this is all besides the point. What Corran says to Luke is in essence: "Yes, you've had hardship, but so have I. You have no right to tell me what I can and cannot accomplish." Both of them have had good and bad times, but Luke doesn't realize that Corran might have self-control nearly equal to his own."
Ok, that's true. I still feel that Corran is arrogant, cocksure and vain, but I retract the other statements.
Björn Paulsen
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Personally, I thought Corran was one of the best EU characters after I, Jedi. But then Stackpole had to go and write those two damn NJO novels and now I really don't like him at all. In fact re reading the X-Wing books it seems that I, Jedi was a fluke for Corran.
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He's a die hard Dirty Harry Sort of Nock off, Except he's ruthlessly trueful and totaly uncorrutable
I, Jedi was an odd book overall I have to say
I, Jedi was an odd book overall I have to say
"A cult is a religion with no political power." -Tom Wolfe
Pardon me for sounding like a dick, but I'm playing the tiniest violin in the world right now-Dalton
"Hroo, shah kraa thaa, Eleas. Mwon hrharh jran thra.
*bows respectfully*
All those watching stare in amazement as IG-88E actually says something taht's not an insult.
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...hey, waitamoment, was that Kilrathi?
*bows respectfully*
All those watching stare in amazement as IG-88E actually says something taht's not an insult.
"*bows back*
...hey, waitamoment, was that Kilrathi?
Björn Paulsen
"Travelers with closed minds can tell us little except about themselves."
--Chinua Achebe
"Travelers with closed minds can tell us little except about themselves."
--Chinua Achebe