Although, as one of the players in my SW game is fond of saying, "With a name like 'Freedon Nadd' and followers called 'Naddists,' they were doomed from the start."
Dark Jedi=Sith?
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IIRC, Freedon Nadd was Just Another Jedi who wanted power sooner than his master would grant him, and he sought forbidden darkside knowledge. I admit I found something vaguely dissatisfying about the Dark Horse comics origins of the Sith, though Lucas's origins are just as dissatisfying. Ah, well.
Although, as one of the players in my SW game is fond of saying, "With a name like 'Freedon Nadd' and followers called 'Naddists,' they were doomed from the start."
Although, as one of the players in my SW game is fond of saying, "With a name like 'Freedon Nadd' and followers called 'Naddists,' they were doomed from the start."
The Jedi asked, "What is balance for me as a servant of the Light?" The Master replied,"Balance is not what you seek. For you it is accepting that destruction is a part of the universe."
-- from Koans of the Silver Master
Founder, the Cult of Wilhelm. "Praise be to Wilhelm. AAAAIIIIUH!"
-- from Koans of the Silver Master
Founder, the Cult of Wilhelm. "Praise be to Wilhelm. AAAAIIIIUH!"
It's a good thing he wasn't called 'Freedon Nudd'.ViciousMink wrote:IIRC, Freedon Nadd was Just Another Jedi who wanted power sooner than his master would grant him, and he sought forbidden darkside knowledge. I admit I found something vaguely dissatisfying about the Dark Horse comics origins of the Sith, though Lucas's origins are just as dissatisfying. Ah, well.
Although, as one of the players in my SW game is fond of saying, "With a name like 'Freedon Nadd' and followers called 'Naddists,' they were doomed from the start."
I like the warm, fuzzy feeling I get from making valid points.Kurgan wrote:Your post to me, pcm, is fair and I agree.
I couldn't say. I've been buying EU books pretty randomly up till now, but now I'm splurging on Amazon and will be getting a great deal of Star Wars books on the 25th.Kurgan wrote:The EU did pretty much assume that Force use and lightsabers went hand and hand, and hence the term "Dark Jedi" did pretty much align itself with any dark side force user (there are of course exceptions, like the Sith witches in Courtship of Princess Leia, and the various magicians and not-quite-jedi force users in the Dark Empire and Tales of the Jedi comics).
And even then only in the novelisation.Kurgan wrote:I agree, the term "Dark Jedi" is only mentioned in the EU. Then again, the term "Sith" was never mentioned in the original films either (but it was mentioned in the canonical film novelisations). It wasn't until TPM that we actually had the Sith mentioned and it was defined who they were (more or less).
Yep. Apart from that origins of the Sith comic thingy which I only heard about roughly 6 months ago. :bKurgan wrote:So in that murky, pre-Phantom Menace (circa 1999) time, the Sith were more mysterious, and the term "Dark Jedi" get flung around a lot.
Hopefully it'll be easier once ep. 3 comes out- I'm scared GL is going to buldoze over my conclusions!Kurgan wrote:I'm just trying to make some sense of it in our (soon to be) post prequel continuity. ; )
And I see where you're coming from.Kurgan wrote:I see where you're coming from now.
This issue doesn't seem to be difficult to comprehend.
The Force is the Force. You can either use the Light Side (inner peace, one-ness with everything) or the Dark Side (hatred and anger) of the Force.
A Jedi is a person belonging to the Jedi Order, a plitical orginization.
A Sith is a person belonging to the Sith Order (or whatever it is called), a politcal orginization.
Therefore, a Jedi as a member fo the Jedi Order, is certainly capable of using the Dark Side, as the Force doesn't give a flip what your politics are. You could call this person a "Dark Jedi" -- one who belongs to the Jedi Order, but is using the Dark Side.
A person not affiliated with either the Jedi or the Sith can still be a Force-user, such a Mara Jade.
The Force is the Force. You can either use the Light Side (inner peace, one-ness with everything) or the Dark Side (hatred and anger) of the Force.
A Jedi is a person belonging to the Jedi Order, a plitical orginization.
A Sith is a person belonging to the Sith Order (or whatever it is called), a politcal orginization.
Therefore, a Jedi as a member fo the Jedi Order, is certainly capable of using the Dark Side, as the Force doesn't give a flip what your politics are. You could call this person a "Dark Jedi" -- one who belongs to the Jedi Order, but is using the Dark Side.
A person not affiliated with either the Jedi or the Sith can still be a Force-user, such a Mara Jade.
I'm with you here.GUTB wrote:This issue doesn't seem to be difficult to comprehend.
I agree with you, but Vergere wouldn't.GUTB wrote:The Force is the Force. You can either use the Light Side (inner peace, one-ness with everything) or the Dark Side (hatred and anger) of the Force.
Not really political- the Jedi don't want/have any political influence, and the Sith want to be the government.GUTB wrote:A Jedi is a person belonging to the Jedi Order, a plitical orginization.
A Sith is a person belonging to the Sith Order (or whatever it is called), a politcal orginization.
Han Solo refered to Darth Vader as a Dark Jedi and he's a Sith. Luke Skywalker refered to Irek Ismaren as a Dark Jedi in training and he was never a Jedi or a Sith.GUTB wrote:Therefore, a Jedi as a member fo the Jedi Order, is certainly capable of using the Dark Side, as the Force doesn't give a flip what your politics are. You could call this person a "Dark Jedi" -- one who belongs to the Jedi Order, but is using the Dark Side.
See above.GUTB wrote:A person not affiliated with either the Jedi or the Sith can still be a Force-user, such a Mara Jade.
I'd give you more examples, but I don't have that many SW books- at least not many that refer to Dark Jedi.