Cpt_Frank wrote:
Vader can just block blaster bolts with his hands. Possibly Palp can do the same.
We haven't seen Jedi doin this.
I wasn't so much thinking they'd need them for defensive reasons, although that's what came across in my post, I was thinking that maybe they'd like to blast someone from a distance. For convience sake of course.
Possible they do so.
What about Mara Jade and the other hands? They didn't use ligthsabers exclusively IIRC.
Cpt_Frank wrote:
Possible they do so.
What about Mara Jade and the other hands? They didn't use ligthsabers exclusively IIRC.
Sorry, I don't know. I havent' read many of the Star Wars Novels, actually I've only read 2, a coupld of graphic novels and a bunch of the Marvel Comics (although that was a while ago, back when Bobba Fett was a Mandalorian and there were others).
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Jedi were inducted at a young age, thus perpetuating the tradition of lightsabers-only.
Honestly, an accomplished Jedi with a lightsaber can defeat the most brilliant gun-fighter, even if the gun-fighter can use the Force. When a Jedi gets up close and personal with you, that gun is useless for parrying and blocking. On the other hand, even at a distance, an accomplished Jedi on his game can effortlessly deflect any shot while he closes the range. Even a brilliant highly-experienced gunfighter like Jago Fett was easily defeated by Mace.
The Jedi on Genosis were defeated by the vast numeric superiority of the enemy. You will note that the droids suffered much, much more causulties than they inflicted on the Jedi.
On to the issue of one-handed lightsabers. This is only possible with grand-masters like Tyranus and Vader. Normally, two hands must be used to give the lightsaber enough power to a stroke. Two-lightsaber fighting trades power for rapid attacks.
Why did the Jedi not bring any blasters to a fight against dumb droids? Well, if you have never needed them before, EVER, why would you suddenly think about this?
A good point GUTB. Most Jedi are trained to think the lightsaber as the only and ultimate weapon, but that really doesn't potray its uselessness to a Jedi, just some macho Jedi code.
As for the problem with only "grand-masters" being able to effectivley wield lightsabers one-handed, I have never heard this before, but for the sake of argument lets say this is true. I believe that it may be posible to-for example-have a wrist mounted blaster pistol, that maybe could be activated via a voice message through some sort of moutpiece? Or maybe even the Force?
And for your final comment, I think that Jedi haveneeded blasters before (see my Obi-Wan vs Jango comment), and just because they make it through the fight doesn't mean a blaster wouldn't have help tremendously. As for the Battle of Geonosis howvere, you are correct. It is possible that years 25,000 years of battle with purley a lightsaber will make you that overconfident.
BUT!!!!!! The point stands that Jedi do use them in SBS, so the case is closed!
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:I am inclined to be believe it is indeed arrogance over functionality. After seeing how terribly they perfomed at the Battle of Geonosis (which seemed just mind-warping after Mr. Wong further stupifyed the Jedi) I wouldn't be suprised that their arrogance has gotten the best of them. Although this arrogance must have been going on for some time, the Jedi have been around for how many millenia?
And consequences you may be correct on point one, that is Fett vs. Obi-Wan, but it still would have been overly-easy to gun down Dooku from his position in teh press box, especially for some one with Jedi skills.
The Jedi are not trained nor intended to fight in giant arenas in mass-combat situations. I'm not suprised.
Would we expect SWAT to be good paratroopers?
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Cpt_Frank wrote:
Vader can just block blaster bolts with his hands. Possibly Palp can do the same.
We haven't seen Jedi doin this.
Jedi in the EU do it all the time. Corran Horn had a specific talent with absorbing energy and could absorb multiple blaster bolts over his body...of course he ended up exhausting himself and getting his entire clothes burned off ...but he was ok. Mara muses that she wishes she was as good at it/had learned the skill while she and Luke are facing off two Chiss security sentinels in the Hand of Thrawn in VoTF.
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Not to nitpick, but Corran Horn is hardly "Jedi all the time."
The Jedi haven't been in a full-scale conflict since the Sith War, a thousand years back. When you have a thousand years of no one challenging you, you're going to get cocky. Hell, it happened to the Romans after only 200 years.
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i allways thought that it contradicts the code. Ranged combat is considered dishonarable and sneaky. Therefore a jedi who used a blaster would be looked down on by others. Plus they never really need
one anyway.
mollusk wrote:i allways thought that it contradicts the code. Ranged combat is considered dishonarable and sneaky. Therefore a jedi who used a blaster would be looked down on by others. Plus they never really need
one anyway.
They don't need one? ROTFLMAO. Why don't you ask a real life police officer if hes ever needed a gun an not just a billyclub. Lightsabers are handy for deflecting incomming blaster shots and apprehending someone at close range, but most effective law enforcement people know you need something with a bit more reach than just three feet.
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mollusk wrote:i allways thought that it contradicts the code. Ranged combat is considered dishonarable and sneaky. Therefore a jedi who used a blaster would be looked down on by others. Plus they never really need
one anyway.
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To defend the Sith, Maul wouldn't need a blaster, he was skilled enough that he could pick and chose where he re-directed a shot at him, as he showed in Shadow Hunter. Jedi never thought they'd need a blaster, but it's hardly for the reasons some would mostly think. I seem to remember Corran Horn musing once "Lightsabers don't have a stun setting" It seems to for reasons of arrogance that jedi didn't use a Blaster, Blasters were for lesser beings.
Darth Pounder wrote:To defend the Sith, Maul wouldn't need a blaster, he was skilled enough that he could pick and chose where he re-directed a shot at him, as he showed in Shadow Hunter. Jedi never thought they'd need a blaster, but it's hardly for the reasons some would mostly think. I seem to remember Corran Horn musing once "Lightsabers don't have a stun setting" It seems to for reasons of arrogance that jedi didn't use a Blaster, Blasters were for lesser beings.
Don't they? I thought that youngling sabers don't cut. So they would basically be energy bats. Whack a guy upside the head, and you'll stun him with it. So lightsabers can have stun settings.
mollusk wrote:i allways thought that it contradicts the code. Ranged combat is considered dishonarable and sneaky. Therefore a jedi who used a blaster would be looked down on by others. Plus they never really need
one anyway.
Dishounrable? Sneaky? I thought it was kinda sneaky when Mace Windu....How should I say....SNUCK UP on Dooku and Co. at Geonosis.
I think it might have been kinda dishonorable to hold a man hostage....which Windu did at Geonosis.
I think it might have been kinda sneaky to....I dunno...secretly dispatch two Jedi to handle a petty trade despute at Naboo.....which happened.....
For some reason I don't think those are the reasons.....
After all I've never heard Yoda say "Sneaky? Dishounorable? A Jedi craves not these things!"
ok. maybe "sneaky and dishonourable" was poor wording.what i meant was that it would lower the tone a little if a jedi used a blaster seeing as they are meant to be above violence and bloodshed etc
If you're a Jedi in the Republic, you're walking into the seediest bars and the highest offices of government alike with your hands tucked into the sleezes of you thread-spun cream and brown robes and expeting to be heeded and deffered to in both situations.
Your image of humility backed up with the certain ability to bust open with uber saber skills at a moment's notice would be cheapened if you had carry around a blaster like everyone else.
GUTB wrote:If you're a Jedi in the Republic, you're walking into the seediest bars and the highest offices of government alike with your hands tucked into the sleezes of you thread-spun cream and brown robes and expeting to be heeded and deffered to in both situations.
Your image of humility backed up with the certain ability to bust open with uber saber skills at a moment's notice would be cheapened if you had carry around a blaster like everyone else.
Who cares about an "image of humility" if it can save your friggin arse! However that may very well be how the Jedi think, which again shows their arrogance and overconfidence to a further degree.
But again this "image of humilty" is obviously shattered, and an era of intellegence and practicality is ushered in, hence the use of blasters in SBS (is that the third time I've mentioned it? ).
Darth Pounder wrote:
Don't they? I thought that youngling sabers don't cut. So they would basically be energy bats. Whack a guy upside the head, and you'll stun him with it. So lightsabers can have stun settings.
It seems clear that the Jedi ought to carry a ranged weapon, but don't because of some overdeveloped sense of honour or machismo. The benefits of, say, a blaster are obvious when confronted with a situation like we saw in AOTC, Kenobi v. Fett Sr. A slightly more mundane version of this situation could see a Jedi v. fleeing criminal, with a distance between them of, say, 100 metres. What's the Jedi to do, if even "Force Speed" isn't enough to catch up before the criminal takes off on his speeder?
No, the only reason why an active Jedi wouldn't pack a sidearm is to satisfy his/her arrogance. The lightsabre is an excellent weapon, suitable for many situations, but it doesn't cover everything.
Here's a better question: given the relatively small size and apparent weight of a lightsabre, why don't they carry a spare? Surely, given the number of times the characters in the films have lost their weapons (and, along with them, their ability to fight effectively) adding a second lightsabre to their utility belts wouldn't be such a bad thing....
His arsenal doesn't include turbolasers. Scout walkers, yes, but not turbolasers. They're not mobile. And Kyle Katarn is hardly a Jedi Knight. More like mercenary Force adept.
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The Jedi could have easily won at Geonosis had they not been concerned with idiotic displays of showmanship. Windu could have simply stabbed Dooku in the back and quickly neutralized Jango thereafter. Bingo, no more Separatist movement.
The fact that the clonetroopers were required (with all their "clumsy and random" weapons) to save the Jedi's asses on Geonosis shows us that Windu was right: the Jedi are keepers of the peace, not soldiers. They shouldn't have been on the battlefield at all. What good does a Jedi do leading a squad of troops into battle against another squad and he's the only one without ranged-attack capabilities? He gets in the fucking way because his engagement zone requires him to be close to the enemy and thus in the line of fire!
All in all, chalk it up to Jedi arrogance.
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Darth Yoshi wrote:His arsenal doesn't include turbolasers. Scout walkers, yes, but not turbolasers. They're not mobile. And Kyle Katarn is hardly a Jedi Knight. More like mercenary Force adept.
If he could pick up a turbolaser and carry it around he would.
...but he was ok. Mara muses that she wishes she was as good at it/had learned the skill while she and Luke are facing off two Chiss security sentinels in the Hand of Thrawn in VoTF.
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