Worst SW brain bug

[Howedar]

even if there was a power coupling failure on Thrawn's ISD, would any Klingon ship have enough firepower to destroy it/be able to beam and aboard and take control (the latter is laughable, knowing Klingon boarding strategies). Especially before the crew could get everything working again?

I believe the idea is that Thrawn is either in a Federation ship, or that the Klingon ships are as powerful as his ISD. In other words, the same situation as Kirk was in.

[Darth Servo]

Bio ships. They're the stupidest brain bug in all of sci-fi.

[His Divine Shadow]

I have to say the Vong....they have singlehandedly put me off all the books past Visions of the Future. The entire "bio kicks everything's ass" thing offends me....the other two are less objectionable.....

I'm sorry but I have many NJO books and I think you're wrong, you seem to have confused B5 with SW.

[Stormbringer]

I think the Vong and the organic tech = uber-tech in general. It's flat out fucking retarded. It's doesn't even mesh remotely with science. Besides, I always loved the heavy metal look of Star Wars tech. Now it's all bio-crap.

The Rogue Squadron and Thrawn myths aren't really born out in the books. Sure the Rogues did some stuff of questionable accuracy but as a few calcs have shown, it's not entirely impossible just imporbable. And the myth that Thrawn never loses is simply that. He lost enough but was smart enough to recover and even turn them to his advantage. And he did outfox and outsmart the New Republic forces more often than not.

Both of those are less a writers brain bug than a fan brain bug. The Vong however are a writers brain bug.

[His Divine Shadow]

I think the Vong and the organic tech = uber-tech in general. It's flat out fucking retarded. It's doesn't even mesh remotely with science. Besides, I always loved the heavy metal look of Star Wars tech. Now it's all bio-crap.

Ofcourse thats wrong too, there's nothing uber about the Vong tech, it just and just keeps up with the galatic standard tech as it is and has many flaws that living things have.

And it's not all bio-crap either, the heavy metal look is still there and it's kicking the bio-craps ass all the way back to where it crawled from, I love that.

And I even like the way that the bio-tech is depicted, it's not at all like the hitech feeling of B5, but much more down to earth, it's got that whole dirty feel that ordinary SW tech has too.

[His Divine Shadow]

I mean they're hulls are coral, they suck, their plasma weapons are inferior to SW weapons, the Errant Venture totally blew away two 1.2km with two simoultaneous broadsides, and it lured several corvettes and such into an asteroid field and used all those gigantic asteroids nearby as flak by making 60 of them explode at once, the Yuuzhan Vong's defenses are limited, it's all or nothing for them and they can't handle quantity, the ships where blown to hell whilst the EV was not even bothered by the flak.

[Master of Ossus]

I don't think that SW is falling for the biotech thing as badly as everyone is saying. It's clear from the novels that the YV technology is no better than NR technology. If anything, it's worse. The problem for the NR is that their technology is unsuited for dealing with this form of technology, and so they must adapt their own technology to combat YV organic stuff. If you read the novels, its evident in the later books that NR ships are better than YV ships, and that the YV's early victories were primarily caused by confusion among NR forces, numerical superiority, luck, and the Yammosk. The Yammosks evidently provide YV forces with tremendous flexibility and are a spectacularly powerful asset on both a strategic and tactical scale, but I don't think it's fair to say that the YV technology is better. Their coralskippers seem inferior to NR starfighters (as Kyp and his dozen noted while making first contact with the Vong); their cruisers seem weaker than NR cruisers (Ralroost OWNING a YV capital ship around Dubrillion) and NR task forces, once the Yammosks have been neutralized, seem superior to their organic counterparts (ref. Destiny's Way, when a ship I envision as an SSD analogue and its escorts are destroyed by a handful of NR capital ships and the Trickster. On the ground, their technology is better in some areas, but much weaker in others. They obviously lack the kind of spectacular firepower offered by thermal detonators, and they have few ranged weapons--none of which compete with blasters. Their armor is superior, as are their melee weapons (to anything except lightsabers), but apart from their warriors they never show an ability to fight with inferior forces and reasonably expect victory. While I find that the YV technology's ASTONISHING level of development is highly unrealistic, I also find it no more advanced than NR technology of the time.

[jegs2]

Starfighter Combat Games: Sensor Domes=Shield Generators.

Argh!!!!

Yes, the shield generator FUBAR is most annoying. I feel like saying, "It's the sensor domes, stupid!"

[Keevan_Colton]

I have to say the Vong....they have singlehandedly put me off all the books past Visions of the Future. The entire "bio kicks everything's ass" thing offends me....the other two are less objectionable.....

I'm sorry but I have many NJO books and I think you're wrong, you seem to have confused B5 with SW.

I do know what you mean....B5 is far worse for its bio monstrosities....but the Vong brought that terrible thing to SW's and for that....I cant forgive them.....I've read a few of the NJO books but unlike the earlier EU stuff I've not bothered buying them.

[His Divine Shadow]

I do know what you mean....B5 is far worse for its bio monstrosities....but the Vong brought that terrible thing to SW's and for that....I cant forgive them.....I've read a few of the NJO books but unlike the earlier EU stuff I've not bothered buying them.

Well the YV tech isn't really bad, it's possible that similar tech could be created, with the exception of Dovin Basals and telepathy which are the most unrealistic things, other than it's genetically engineered creatures with a thick coral shell to protect them from vaacum, and hard membranes for viewports, plausible, but still a stupid concept, ofcourse the Yuuzhan Vong are stupid, thats abundantly clear, they're fanatics and thats their reason.

Ofcourse add to that creature Dovin Basals for movement and shielding and plasma spitting creatures for weapons and some kind of bugs or something too.

[Master of Ossus]

I do know what you mean....B5 is far worse for its bio monstrosities....but the Vong brought that terrible thing to SW's and for that....I cant forgive them.....I've read a few of the NJO books but unlike the earlier EU stuff I've not bothered buying them.

Well the YV tech isn't really bad, it's possible that similar tech could be created, with the exception of Dovin Basals and telepathy which are the most unrealistic things, other than it's genetically engineered creatures with a thick coral shell to protect them from vaacum, and hard membranes for viewports, plausible, but still a stupid concept, ofcourse the Yuuzhan Vong are stupid, thats abundantly clear, they're fanatics and thats their reason.

Ofcourse add to that creature Dovin Basals for movement and shielding and plasma spitting creatures for weapons and some kind of bugs or something too.

Oh, some of their descriptions of amphistaffs and armor fall under the "really, really, REALLY bad science" idea of biotech--telekinetic fields projected in front of the armor, etc. Nonetheless, your point is well taken.

[His Divine Shadow]

Oh, some of their descriptions of amphistaffs and armor fall under the "really, really, REALLY bad science" idea of biotech--telekinetic fields projected in front of the armor, etc. Nonetheless, your point is well taken.

Oh yes that, it'd have been plausible without them though, except for the saber resistance part, unless the creatures fed on mandalorian iron or something, which would have been more likely I think, ofcourse mandalorian iron is so very rare that it's virtually unheard of, so if so, where'd the amphistaffs get their required "food", though that could have led to an interesting plot-twist, the newer amphistaffs produced with materials from this galaxy have no lightsaber resistance, that would have been cool.

[Master of Ossus]

Oh yes that, it'd have been plausible without them though, except for the saber resistance part, unless the creatures fed on mandalorian iron or something, which would have been more likely I think, ofcourse mandalorian iron is so very rare that it's virtually unheard of, so if so, where'd the amphistaffs get their required "food", though that could have led to an interesting plot-twist, the newer amphistaffs produced with materials from this galaxy have no lightsaber resistance, that would have been cool.

There's still a problem with that, though. They would have to be snacking on something with a really really high specific heat (read: MUCH higher than that of water) in order to be unaffected by lightsaber energy. I just chalk it up to being ridiculous and move on.

[His Divine Shadow]

Well we dunno how mandalorian iron works, lightsabers work on some loop principle that makes continued operation of the blade very energy efficient, only waste is the glow and ofcourse heat coming from interaction with the atmosphere, what if mandalorian iron somehow keeps the lightsaber loop un-interrupted.

[Mad]

Question: When did a squadron of X-wings ever take on an ISD without support? I can't remember an instance in the novels I've read. They made an interdictor retreat, took the shields down on a Victory, but never defeated an ISD without suprise and support from capital ships.

That particular brain bug either comes from comics (which I haven't read), or from people misreading what happened in the novels.

[beyond hope]

Definitely the sensor domes = shield generators thing, I grit my teeth whenever I hear it and have had numerous arguments with my friends (who are programmed by playing X-wing) on the subject.

[thread hijack]Failing to save the Kobayashi Maru in the no-win scenario is also a loss, since you abandoned a civilian transport in the neutral zone to die. I can already imagine the "wait... where are you going?!" transmissions that the ship sends while you're cruising away without going to assist them.[/thread hijack]

[Darth Yoshi]

I have to say the inept stormtroopers one. Stormtroopers are highly disciplined and highly accurate, but laypeople think they suck.

[Stormbringer]

Question: When did a squadron of X-wings ever take on an ISD without support? I can't remember an instance in the novels I've read. They made an interdictor retreat, took the shields down on a Victory, but never defeated an ISD without suprise and support from capital ships.

That particular brain bug either comes from comics (which I haven't read), or from people misreading what happened in the novels.

I think it's just people jumping to conclusions. For one thing a lot of people are very put out about Michael Stackpole's treatment of fans and so look to jump on his books. And there's the fact that people just aren't careful in analysing them. They fall into the trap, in part because they want the evidence to be there.

[Stravo]

I think it's just people jumping to conclusions. For one thing a lot of people are very put out about Michael Stackpole's treatment of fans and so look to jump on his books. And there's the fact that people just aren't careful in analysing them. They fall into the trap, in part because they want the evidence to be there.

Stormbringer, what is it exactly that he does to fans that pisses them off. i'm always interested in why authors are dicks to their fans.

[Ghost Rider]

For Stackpole I don't know but some authors get a sense of being arrogant because well...they're published and making money.

Honestly it amazes because I see it in the comic industry in some cases where it makes no sense.

Take Gary Groth or Todd McFarlane...both successful(McFarlane more than most) but for some reason regard fans as this annoyance that is obviously dumber than oxen(or in Groth's case...rabble who don't see the true light of his books) and pester fans to stop being morons and grow up...never realizing 95% of the times the only reason you have a career is because well these 'oxen' buy your products.

On the other hand some people love fans...I think it's a lot to do with low self esteem.

[Darth Fanboy]

Heres one I should have listed, "Dark Jedi are always redeemable or have some good qualities" Just because it happened to Vader we now see people Like Kyp Durron and some of the younger Shadow Academy Jedi go to the dark side and never come back. Also, Luke did in in Dark Empire I and Jaina Solo in NJO.

Now I know it isn't exactly "once you go black you never go back" but it turns the whole redemption thing into a cliche

[Stormbringer]

Stormbringer, what is it exactly that he does to fans that pisses them off. i'm always interested in why authors are dicks to their fans.

This is more BattleTech thing than Star Wars but apparently he majorly screwed over the universe setup and when fans asked why he basically said "suck it btiches and buy my shit". It was of course more tactfully than that but it's the jist of it.

Basically it's horrible treatment of loyal fans yet wanting them to buy the stuff. He has a huge ego and treats his fans like shit.

[Boba Fett]

It's not listed....those damned ewoks and the surface battle at the BoE...

How could some primitive creature that live in the stone age defeat a legion of stormtroopers supported by AT-STs?

I always hated that part!

[Darth Fanboy]

that isn't really a brain bug but it does help propogate the "idiot stormtrooper myth". I think it has more to do with the Imps equipment not being suited for heavy forest. That plus they were forces probably based on the death Star II or another Capital Ship, hence the lack of eqipment tailored to their location. Id still rather have a few dozen Ewoks than a similar number of say....... Starfleet troops?



btw Wookies do not live on Endor

[Boba Fett]

The bug is that they constructed the Death Star over Endor.
I wasn't built in a week!

So they had plenty of time to get sufficient equipment to the troops.

BTW I think it was sufficient. Lucas wanted something cute for the little children.
These teddy-bears can kill also?

Come on...it's stupid!

But still better than the droid army vs. the Gungans...

Ps: No one said that wookies live on Endor?!