What's the Story round six (ROJ BG ship etc.)

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-09-02 09:07am

same number of dual turbolasers, half the number of missile launchers, and 6 quad laser cannons

Since the Dorneans made this class themselves, could they be using different standards for their weaponry? They're no CEC, exactly, and they already use different terms for their naval personnel.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-09-02 09:27am

VT-16 wrote:You're not. I just think most of this stuff wasn't too bad or too derivative than what it could have been. You should have seen a DD entry that didn't make it, it had parts of the interior being used in Luke's X-wing at the battle of Yavin, decades later.

Jesus Christ, that's not only disgusting, but completely retarded...

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-09-02 09:36am

LFL may have stupid employees, but even they have a limit.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-09-02 09:40am

That person should have had their account banned purely on principle.

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Do you think you could repost it?

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-09-02 09:44am

VT-16 wrote:I did think the Dusty Duck entry was a bit much (ducks from Naboo being wellknown throughout the galaxy? ), but the grim humor was funny. I mean, the ship was home-made, made a few trips, its owners got killed and then it just sat there. The End.

Star Wars has no towtrucks, no kerb inspectors, no salvage companies and no impound lots. If they did, how could this monument to Suck EU Nonsense persist?

I'm more interested in the attitude that supports this low level of fluff. Novels are one thing, and they can include lame shit in the middle of their story: but articles like these are solely existing to produce Suck EU Nonsense. It must make someone warm and fuzzy to read this sort of irrelevant, lame, soap opera nonsense... but who? Who wants this sort of baseless, made-up backstory to everything? How is this any better (given the authors and poor writing) than shit like Starfleet Museum or ditl that just pull EU 'facts' out of their asses?

Homework assignment: find one person, somewhere, who says 'it's cool, dramatic, significant or valid that Lame Trivial Fact #224 exists'. Can it be done?

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-09-02 09:44am

Do you think you could repost it? :mrgreen:

It was a person on Wookiepedia who wrote his suggestion on his profile pages:

Trans-System Assault Transport/infantry
Rango Tel's TSAT/i parked in Mos Espa shortly after his death.
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Rango Tel's TSAT/i parked in Mos Espa shortly after his death.
The introduction of the Trans-System Assault Transport/infantry a decade before the Battle of Naboo was followed by a storm of controversy that nearly shattered what would become one of the galaxy's wealthiest companies.

Upon its release, Rothana Heavy Engineering, its manufacturer, was sued by the Incom Corporation for industrial espionage, as the TSAT/i's forward intake engine was suspiciously similar to a prototype design Incom had been testing. Incom won the lawsuit, and all TSAT/i models were immediately recalled and their continued civilian use outlawed. Rothana was fined heavily and restricted with measly production caps.

The affair nearly bankrupted Rothana, and the company barely survived for the next twenty years, subsisting off of meager government contracts, until it struck gold by securing the contract to supply war machines for the Grand Army of the Republic shortly before the Clone Wars, which catapulted it into the position of one of the galaxy's premier manufacturers.

The bounty hunter Rango Tel, during his ill-fated mission to assassinate Kam Nale, acquired a TSAT/i off a shrewd salesman that neglected to mention that the ship was illegal to fly. When Tel was killed by Nale before the Boonta Eve Classic, the gunboat sat stagnant in Mos Espa for three months before a band of Jawas took notice and dismantled it piece-by-piece, selling off the parts to various junk dealers.

After the rise of the Empire and Incom's defection to the Rebel Alliance, the company became desperate for any way to cut costs during production. Incom officials began buying scrap parts to be recycled into new ones for reuse, most notably in its ubiquitous T-65 X-wing starfighter. One merchant visited Tatooine and happened upon the partial remains of Tel's old TSAT/i. He happily bought off the scraps, and the engines eventually were reconfigured and built into an X-wing that would one day be used in the Battle of Yavin, by an infamous pilot under the callsign Red Five.

Homework assignment: find one person, somewhere, who says 'it's cool, dramatic, significant or valid that Lame Trivial Fact #224 exists'. Can it be done?

I'm partially like that because I hate unidentified stuff. Though I wish people would stop connecting every single trivia to something profound in the movies.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-09-02 09:52am

Unidentified stuff is what saves fictional worlds from poor writing. It gives wiggle room to ignore or reduce Suck. If everything was accounted for and known in detail, we'd have much, much more trouble waving away unpalatable things.

And in any case... the level of quality seen here is simply terrible. If a team got together, did some research, and got the go-ahead to tie up all the loose ends, that'd be one thing. But some fatass nerdjockey writing wet dreams with his dick in his hand is another, totally different thing. Indeed that's something I've noticed recently: since there are the 'official' websites which contain this sort of content, a bunch of otherwise ignorable people now get an automatic stamp of officialdom for their pet wank triviagasm.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-09-02 09:55am

I know. But at least some small nuggets of gold can be found in the pile of waste, like the reference to KDY building fleets for the Republic in both the Old and New Sith Wars. That's never been alluded to before, I think. Just nice to have that kind of connection to stuff that has a use for it (like the unidentified capital ships in those TOTJ comics).

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-09-02 10:01am

Well, I think that's stupid and unnecessary. That kind of thinking is what paves the way for the stuff you don't like, like the famous Robot of Arabia being used to build the house that Luke lived in.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2006-09-02 12:29pm

So...did Etahn A'baht actually mention he was at Endor at any point in the BFC (or any subsequent appearances he may have gotten in the NJO for example)? Or is that just name dropping for the sake of name dropping?

EDIT: Whoops, it's NJO, not NKO...damn typos!

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-09-02 12:44pm

VT-16 wrote:Also, I noticed the Carrack was called a gunship in at least one source (and put it up on Wookiepedia), so it was basically two small gunships against a large one and one of them was so damaged afterwards, it was supposed to be scrapped, but got transported back to Dornea to be used as a war museum.

This could be another example of the two tier system and the long confusion on naming ship types by roll. A Carrack is hardly a cruiser in galactic terms and probably more of a PT or gunship and not even worthy of Sloop or Corevette.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-09-02 12:47pm

Yup. I've even noted on Wookiepedia the various names for some of the vessels, even their designations in EAW (which are more sensible, they have Acclamators and Interdictors as frigates). 8)

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-09-02 12:55pm

VT-16 wrote:Yup. I've even noted on Wookiepedia the various names for some of the vessels, even their designations in EAW (which are more sensible, they have Acclamators and Interdictors as frigates).

I would, and this is my opinion, go so far as to say that the Acclamator would be more like a Sloop. But Starfrigate should work.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2006-09-02 09:01pm

An old but still interesting link

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-09-03 05:48am

Interesting that the length is now officially half that estimate and that a Carrack was mentioned in the story. Coincidence?

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2006-09-03 10:40am

Coincidence or not, at 90 m, it's not even a capital ship. The hammerhead design also seem at the very least related to Corellian ships rather than some totally thin-air fluff (only positive thing about this is that it supports larger variation. But why the heck not acknowledge what's there at least?)

Basically, I find the background story and size measurement of sw.com to be... inaccurate. The size can be safely ignored since it doesn't match up with the movie. But it's really annoying that LF still let things like this slip by, even with the clause they have about altering submissions to fit, etc. Pablo the style over substance fallacy strikes again, if you ask me...

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-09-03 10:58am

The size can be safely ignored since it doesn't match up with the movie

We don't have enough to conclude that, do we? Two scenes and none with any real comparisons? The Home One behind it in one scene (itself in dispute) and a CR90 to the side of another (and that's 150m, so it's somewhat close).

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2006-09-03 11:00am

Nightmare wrote:The size can be safely ignored since it doesn't match up with the movie. But it's really annoying that LF still let things like this slip by, even with the clause they have about altering submissions to fit, etc.

I just looked at that page you linked to and found out that they length of this gunship is off by 50%. Interestingly, a 180 m length would actually make sense for the armament that this thing supposedly packs. I agree, this is annoying. I wonder where they even pulled 90 m from. Don't expect it to be changed anytime soon, either.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-09-03 11:06am

But what did they use of measure it with? Why 180 meters, why 90 meters?

Cao Cao · Post by **Cao Cao** » 2006-09-03 11:56am

I suspect that their incredibly laborious, scientific methods of working out measurements are performed with the aid of a blindfold, a hat and many scraps of paper with numbers written on them.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-09-03 12:27pm

VT-16 wrote:But what did they use of measure it with? Why 180 meters, why 90 meters?

I have no idea, but at 90 meteres, it's only slightly larger than Queen Amadalla's yhat.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-09-03 12:29pm

I realize that, I just want to know how one is more conclusive over the other? What criteria was used for both measurements, if the official version was even measured. (It wasn't.) :P

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2006-09-03 12:53pm

I scaled the ship this spring and found it to be at least 170 meters in length. I also think the screencap from the space battle over at Wookieepedia, with the Corellian Cruiser in the foreground, is interesting.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2006-09-03 06:30pm

Jim Raynor wrote:I just looked at that page you linked to and found out that they length of this gunship is off by 50%.

Counting from 180 m and down, yes. Anyway, the only way you can scale the ship is comparative analysis with known ships onscreen. The best bet would be Home One, which has been given the official but obviously flawed lenght of 1200 m. Dr.Saxton, who has a particularly keen eye, has scaled Home One to between 3,7 and 3,9 km.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-09-04 12:52am

Speaking of which, I need to check something. I found that the HO was called the "largest of the Rebel Star Cruisers" in the ROTJ script. Is there something similar in the novelization? It's one of the new facts I added to its wookiepedia article. :)