Split from ROTS Revelations

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2005-06-07 03:22pm

Manus Celer Dei wrote:
Lord of the Farce wrote:Also on the arrest scene, a theory that I have no idea whether the novelisation contradicts, since I haven't had a chance to read it yet:

What if Palpy had used a far more powerful version of the "Force Wall" skill than the Jedi are accustomed to, and it simply froze the Jedi Masters in place both from the direct effects of the ability, and utter disbelief that the "politician" could actually lock up their movement so thoroughly, which leaves them unable to fight off the effects in time?
While the first part is possible, by this time the Jedi know that Palps is a Sith Lord.

Do they (aside from Windu)? I already wondered, if Windu really told his companians, that Palpatine is the Sith-Lord according to Anakin.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-06-07 03:25pm

He couldnt have been that arrogant,
also they came in sabers blazing, it's out of character to think that they would have gone for such overkill versus just a "feeble old man"

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2005-06-07 03:40pm

FTeik wrote:
Manus Celer Dei wrote:
Lord of the Farce wrote:Also on the arrest scene, a theory that I have no idea whether the novelisation contradicts, since I haven't had a chance to read it yet:

What if Palpy had used a far more powerful version of the "Force Wall" skill than the Jedi are accustomed to, and it simply froze the Jedi Masters in place both from the direct effects of the ability, and utter disbelief that the "politician" could actually lock up their movement so thoroughly, which leaves them unable to fight off the effects in time?
While the first part is possible, by this time the Jedi know that Palps is a Sith Lord.
Do they (aside from Windu)? I already wondered, if Windu really told his companians, that Palpatine is the Sith-Lord according to Anakin.

Why the hell wouldn't he? Besides, in the novel Saesee says something along the lines of "The Dark Lord has revealed himself" and none of them say anything when Mace says to Palps "You're a Sith Lord!". It's reasonable to assume that he did tell them.

Admiral Felire · Post by **Admiral Felire** » 2005-06-07 07:04pm

While the first part is possible, by this time the Jedi know that Palps is a Sith Lord.

Do they (aside from Windu)? I already wondered, if Windu really told his companians, that Palpatine is the Sith-Lord according to Anakin.

Why the hell wouldn't he? Besides, in the novel Saesee says something along the lines of "The Dark Lord has revealed himself" and none of them say anything when Mace says to Palps "You're a Sith Lord!". It's reasonable to assume that he did tell them.

It is resonable to think that those Jedi on Coruscant would know but what about the vast number of Jedi spread throughout the galaxy. They wouldn't be told (this is of course assuming that not all were wiped out immeditaly)..

Plus, the galaxy at large never does realize that Palpatine is a Force User. They think that Vader is the last one and that Palpatine is just some great and noble human who was deformed by the traitorous Jedi.

On a slightly different question, by the time of Episode II how many Jedi remained alive and active.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-06-07 07:31pm

I think R2 knew who Yoda was. Why else was he such a prick to the little green thing?

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2005-06-07 07:35pm

LaserRifleofDoom wrote:Also, though this isn't very important, I thought Palpatine said Darth Pelagus was the one who had discovered the secret to life. I'm sure I heard a vowel between the "P" and the "l".

Pretty much every printed literature sanctioned by Lucasfilm spells it "Plagueis".

LaserRifleofDoom · Post by **LaserRifleofDoom** » 2005-06-07 07:47pm

Isolder74 wrote:I think R2 knew who Yoda was. Why else was he such a prick to the little green thing?

Actually, if R2 knew who he was, he probably wouldn't have done anything like that. Maybe you would have, but not a droid.

I also can't believe I forgot to this to that post, I feel silly for it.

Since the clones are almost always fighting droid armies, wouldn't it be expected for them to have special anti-droid equipment. It might be possible that, as proposed on the main site, red balsters are civilian, green are military, and blue are some sort of special anti-droid blaster.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-06-07 08:48pm

Isolder74 wrote:I think R2 knew who Yoda was. Why else was he such a prick to the little green thing?

Such a prick? All R2 tried to do was get Luke's lamp back. Protecting his master's property is hardly being a prick.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-06-07 08:55pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:I think R2 knew who Yoda was. Why else was he such a prick to the little green thing?
Such a prick? All R2 tried to do was get Luke's lamp back. Protecting his master's property is hardly being a prick.

Its a good thing R2 can speack isn't it?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-06-07 09:07pm

Isolder74 wrote:Its a good thing R2 can speack isn't it?

What do you mean?

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-06-07 10:22pm

The diplomatic wing of the Rebellion? It makes it sound like Sinn Fein. I think most of R2's "combat" features were merely features an AstroMech droid would have to assist it in its tasks though applied creatively in difficult circumstances. There is no conclusive evidence to suggest R2 did lose any capabilities.

Actually, a good deal of R2's special features were added either by the Naboo Royal Core of Engineers because he was in the service of the queen, or by Anakin. It is true that it is not necissary for his more interesting abilities to be removed, although some of his capabilites are down right deadly.

Johnny Ipcress · Post by **Johnny Ipcress** » 2005-06-07 10:49pm

Pure Sabacc wrote:

Actually, a good deal of R2's special features were added either by the Naboo Royal Core of Engineers because he was in the service of the queen, or by Anakin. It is true that it is not necissary for his more interesting abilities to be removed, although some of his capabilites are down right deadly.

I'm not denying he has additional capabilities to Joe R-Unit. However, it seems his 'upgrades' are intended to aid him in his duties as an AstroMech droid. For example, a lawnmower has capabilities that are 'down right deadly' but that doesn't suggest that placing it on someone's face is an intended application of the device.

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2005-06-08 12:27am

Srynerson wrote:On the subject of Artoo losing some of his handier features, the old "Holonet News" website set up by LFL for AotC had a news story about design problems with the rocket packs on R2 units and a request by the manufacturer that owners deactivate the rockets or return the droid for a refit, IIRC. The implication, of course, is that at some point Artoo's rockets were removed. Granted, Holonet News was presumably pretty low-level canon, but it's the best explanation for why Artoo doesn't make use of the rockets in a couple of situations where they would have made sense (see, e.g., exiting the X-wing on Dagobah).

The ability of a droid to spray thruster fuel on command could be considered something of a safety hazard. All it takes is one billion credit lawsuit after a spazzy astro droid sprays someone with fuel and then jets away to avoid harm by an agry, fuel soaked someone for the recall notices get posted....

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2005-06-08 01:08am

LaserRifleofDoom wrote:It might be possible that, as proposed on the main site, red balsters are civilian, green are military, and blue are some sort of special anti-droid blaster.

Except that the Stormies' blasters also fired red bolts.

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2005-06-08 06:59am

Admiral Felire wrote:
While the first part is possible, by this time the Jedi know that Palps is a Sith Lord.

Do they (aside from Windu)? I already wondered, if Windu really told his companians, that Palpatine is the Sith-Lord according to Anakin.

Why the hell wouldn't he? Besides, in the novel Saesee says something along the lines of "The Dark Lord has revealed himself" and none of them say anything when Mace says to Palps "You're a Sith Lord!". It's reasonable to assume that he did tell them.

It is resonable to think that those Jedi on Coruscant would know but what about the vast number of Jedi spread throughout the galaxy. They wouldn't be told (this is of course assuming that not all were wiped out immeditaly)..

What bearing does this have on how Palps was able to kill the Jedi sent after him so quickly?

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-06-08 07:57am

Jadthu-class landers

They are the sleeker-looking dropships on Utapau, correct?

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-06-08 08:39am

VT-16 wrote: They are the sleeker-looking dropships on Utapau, correct?

Hmmmm? I didn't notice such a thing. Do you have a screenshot?

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-06-08 09:22am

He's probably referring to the gunboats seen hovering during the brief search for Obi-Wan on Utapau, shortly after he emerges from the water nearby. It's also on one of the CCG cards, I think.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-06-08 09:29am

The CCG card called it a Republic Gunboat, and I´ve heard the name "Jadthu-class dropships" in several CW EU sources. I´m guessing they are the same thing?

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-06-08 09:53am

Not an official source, but this site curiously refers to LAATs as the Jadthu class craft.

EDIT: It also refers to the Acclamator as a Star Destroyer, so take it with a grain of salt.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-06-08 10:17am

I´ll take that with A LOT of grain. OS seems to hint that the two are different craft.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-06-08 10:54am

Firefox wrote:Not an official source, but this site curiously refers to LAATs as the Jadthu class craft.

EDIT: It also refers to the Acclamator as a Star Destroyer, so take it with a grain of salt.

Moronic- the novleization refers to LAATs and Jadthus as two seperate craft. I still havent seen this ship you guys are talkign about though.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-06-08 02:09pm

Vympel wrote:Checking the novelization, it's account of Obi-Wan's arrival on Utapau is contradicted by the film- in the novel, he gives his briefing to Commander Cody and the rest of the Clones after Vigilance has exited hyperspace in the Utapau system, wheras in the film he gives it in orbit around Coruscant. I don't think there's any evidence his fleet moved. That Cody and three batallions waited in Jadthu-class landers and LAAT/i's over the horizon makes no sense in light of the fact that Obi-Wan's fighter came straight from Coruscant in the film, not the Vigilance after a hyperjump.

I find it hard to believe the jump ring has that great of a range.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-06-08 02:15pm

Lord of the Farce wrote:
LaserRifleofDoom wrote:It might be possible that, as proposed on the main site, red balsters are civilian, green are military, and blue are some sort of special anti-droid blaster.
Except that the Stormies' blasters also fired red bolts.

That also doesn't answer where purple bolts come from (granted, fighter level weaponry, but still).

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-06-08 02:31pm

There´s the Assault Gunboat. (If the Jadthu is mentioned in the novelization, then it´s probably the same thing.)

I find it hard to believe the jump ring has that great of a range.

In AOTC, a booster-ring took Obi-Wan´s fighter beyond the Outer Rim, to Kamino. Utapau is closer than that.

That also doesn't answer where purple bolts come from (granted, fighter level weaponry, but still).

I believe I saw yellow bolts in the opening battle, as well as orange and red with a yellow core in ANH and ROTJ, respectively.