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I hope he'll also write the EIII ICS.
Do you know if the EII ICS were comercially successful?
Not sure- the fans love the SW books though, and they have made two previous ICS books (David West Reynolds- no calcs, more vague) so there's no reason not to do one for Episode III I reckon.

I would love to hear the story about how he got tapped for the Ep II ICS though. Obviously someone in Lucasfilm loved his stuff eh :)

I'm pretty sure he'll do Episode III ICS. There's also the rumor of him writing another SW book.
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Vympel are you saying I made it up as a noun? Or its just not used as much so its possible the writers of star wars things didn't see it as that.
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Super-Gagme wrote:Vympel are you saying I made it up as a noun? Or its just not used as much so its possible the writers of star wars things didn't see it as that.
Of course I'm not saying you made it up- however, the record is quite clear on why these no-talent hacks named the ships in the way they did:

"Imperial-class" comes from C-3P0 saying "Imperial Star Destroyer" once.

"Super-class" comes from Admiral Ackbar saying "Super Star Destroyer" once.

It's pathetic.
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It doesn't matter who the fuck said it. It's also in the novelisations in thier description.

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DG_Cal_Wright wrote:It doesn't matter who the fuck said it. It's also in the novelisations in thier description.
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not only is it in many EU books, but its also in the Imperial Sourcebook as well as other places. neither are canon [/i]but i think www.starwars.com speaks for itself with Imperial-class.
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meNNis wrote:not only is it in many EU books, but its also in the Imperial Sourcebook as well as other places. neither are canon [/i]but i think www.starwars.com speaks for itself with Imperial-class.
For fucks sake-

Please provide a source that indicates that starwars.com is more than official material.

There are two categories of Star Wars information

Canon

and

Offical

Period.

How fucking hard is this to understand.
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I should also add that it doesn't matter how many EU books say Imperial-class, because they all originate from a single place- those retards at WEG. Why people are defending terminology coined by the pen-and-paper no-research hacks who gave us the 8km SSD I have no idea.
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Ahem. last time I checked the novelisations were 'canon' and in them, they are only known as Imperial Star Destroyers.

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DG_Cal_Wright wrote:Ahem. last time I checked the novelisations were 'canon' and in them, they are only known as Imperial Star Destroyers.
Which doesn't prove anything. Here, look at those russian submarines over there. Are those russian-class now ? :roll:
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The two big candidates for the ISD class name is Imperial and Imperator. Most likely, unless you are VERY informed (by the standards of the average stick-to-WEG-fanboy,) you won't even be aware of the latter as a possibility.

Historically, though, there is some precedent to suggest that both can be acceptable.

Look at the British cruisers of WWII. They actually have County class cruisers, Town class cruisers, and so on. But look at the ship list, there is NO such ship as the County or the Town.

In fact, you might never be able to find out what these two classes are. Because the County-class can be alternatively be called the Kent-class, in honor for the first ship of the class built. They are apparently called the County-class because the ships were all named after different areas of Britain.

So it IS possible for both of them to be valid and acceptable at the same time, under a similar scenario.
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Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:The two big candidates for the ISD class name is Imperial and Imperator. Most likely, unless you are VERY informed (by the standards of the average stick-to-WEG-fanboy,) you won't even be aware of the latter as a possibility.

Historically, though, there is some precedent to suggest that both can be acceptable.

Look at the British cruisers of WWII. They actually have County class cruisers, Town class cruisers, and so on. But look at the ship list, there is NO such ship as the County or the Town.

In fact, you might never be able to find out what these two classes are. Because the County-class can be alternatively be called the Kent-class, in honor for the first ship of the class built. They are apparently called the County-class because the ships were all named after different areas of Britain.

So it IS possible for both of them to be valid and acceptable at the same time, under a similar scenario.
Yup- Imperial as slang/colloquialism/something else, Imperator as Imperial designation (the Mandel blueprints are just that- blueprints). I loathe theforce.net where most of the WEG phanboyz hangout, luckily SD.net is Imperator all the way for the most part :)
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is it not true that the blueprints are flawed as well?

so dont give me that crap that WEG are the only ones who make mistakes :roll:
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meNNis wrote:is it not true that the blueprints are flawed as well?

so dont give me that crap that WEG are the only ones who make mistakes :roll:
Yes they are. I am more willing to forgive that because Mandel worked off the original Star Destroyer design that the VFX team made for A New Hope, before the Star Destroyer model was scaled up for the film. However to assert that because they are flawed then somehow the bullshit, totally unresearched (8km SSD with not as many engines comes to mind) WEG terminology should be used is brain damaged, for obvious reasons.
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i can understand why you see it like that when you put it that way

at least youre not being a total asshole about it
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meNNis wrote:i can understand why you see it like that when you put it that way

at least youre not being a total asshole about it
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me, too.

i guess im just a retarded Imperial-class Fundy. lolz.

yes, a unique breed those Imp-class fundies :lol:
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meNNis wrote:me, too.

i guess im just a retarded Imperial-class Fundy. lolz.
You are indeed.

Now shut the fuck up, you idiotic child.
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How about we start a petition to get George Lucas to clarify for us the correct answer? I bet if we had a good thousand or two thousand signatures on the petition he will give us a formal response. What do you think?
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Super-Gagme wrote:How about we start a petition to get George Lucas to clarify for us the correct answer? I bet if we had a good thousand or two thousand signatures on the petition he will give us a formal response. What do you think?
Yeah seeing how much he loves SW fans he surely will :roll:
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Yeah seeing how much he loves SW fans he surely will :roll:
As if he cares. It's a big Imperial wedge to him.
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Vympel wrote:
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Yeah seeing how much he loves SW fans he surely will :roll:
As if he cares. It's a big Imperial wedge to him.
Yep he doesn't care about ships and stuff. We should better ask the guy who designed the model.
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Yep he doesn't care about ships and stuff. We should better ask the guy who designed the model.
I sent a question to the Jedi Council on SW.com asking what the ship was in the ROTJ battle- you know the SD with no hangars. No response. Useless pricks.
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Vympel wrote:
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Yep he doesn't care about ships and stuff. We should better ask the guy who designed the model.
I sent a question to the Jedi Council on SW.com asking what the ship was in the ROTJ battle- you know the SD with no hangars. No response. Useless pricks.
Typical for those arrogant Jedi :lol:
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