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Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2003-01-03 01:18am

Typical for those arrogant Jedi

All we need to do is find a Palpatine wannabe to purge them.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-01-03 01:38am

Vympel wrote:I sent a question to the Jedi Council on SW.com asking what the ship was in the ROTJ battle- you know the SD with no hangars. No response. Useless pricks.

They don't seem to like the most technical questions. I sent them a question asking what naval class the ISD is supposed to fit into... no response.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-01-03 06:47pm

If it is really a bayless destroyer, why was it upside down unlike all other capital ships? Since they filmed unfinished models, even the movies are questionable.

I asked Curtis Saxton whether it is sure that the Avenger type destroyers are the ISD IIs and the Devastator type is ISD I, but he did not answer.
The Devastator looks like it is already corrected some design flaws. (The exposed bridge and the lack of the ability to fire underside the ship with heavy cannons.) I think there was too short period of time between the ANH and TESB to design a new tower style, build prototype destroyers (a newer and faster prototype ship should be assigned to the dark lord if existed), test them, build them in numbers, creating a command variant and the maybe even newer Executor class. And the rebells on Hoth were not surprised by the Executor. Was it new at all?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-03 11:17pm

vakundok wrote:If it is really a bayless destroyer, why was it upside down unlike all other capital ships? Since they filmed unfinished models, even the movies are questionable.

The Falcon was upside down, not the destroyer.

I asked Curtis Saxton whether it is sure that the Avenger type destroyers are the ISD IIs and the Devastator type is ISD I, but he did not answer.
The Devastator looks like it is already corrected some design flaws. (The exposed bridge and the lack of the ability to fire underside the ship with heavy cannons.) I think there was too short period of time between the ANH and TESB to design a new tower style, build prototype destroyers (a newer and faster prototype ship should be assigned to the dark lord if existed), test them, build them in numbers, creating a command variant and the maybe even newer Executor class. And the rebells on Hoth were not surprised by the Executor. Was it new at all?

The SWICS makes it clear that the Devastator is ISD1.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-01-04 10:34am

"The Falcon was upside down, not the destroyer."

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/given/ ... yer5-2.jpg

Do you see the other capital ships? We can only state that it lacks the normal hangar bays if it is the bottom surface of the ship.

I usually create my own opinion and use any (even if it is infallible) resource with reservations.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-01-04 10:58am

vakundok wrote:"The Falcon was upside down, not the destroyer."

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/given/ ... yer5-2.jpg

Do you see the other capital ships? We can only state that it lacks the normal hangar bays if it is the bottom surface of the ship.

I usually create my own opinion and use any (even if it is infallible) resource with reservations.

If it was the dorsal side the falcon was skimming then we would have seen terraces and a command tower, not an armoured bulb.

So either that's a Star Destroyer which is lacking hangars or which has no superstructure whatsoever. Guess which one's more likely.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-04 11:11am

Cpt_Frank wrote:
If it was the dorsal side the falcon was skimming then we would have seen terraces and a command tower, not an armoured bulb.

So either that's a Star Destroyer which is lacking hangars or which has no superstructure whatsoever. Guess which one's more likely.

I don't think it has a bulb either. But it's clear that this ship isn't a regular Star Destroyer.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-01-04 02:34pm

Cpt_Frank wrote:If it was the dorsal side the falcon was skimming then we would have seen terraces and a command tower, not an armoured bulb.

So either that's a Star Destroyer which is lacking hangars or which has no superstructure whatsoever. Guess which one's more likely.

(There was no bulb.) Did we see the whole ship? No we did not. Can we state that it has no terraces and tower because we did not see these features on the first part of the ship?
We saw aproximately a kilometer hull and even the Imperators have no terraces on their first half. However clear that it is not an Imperator class destroyer.
The question is whether this was the dorsal surface, and the ship can be paired with the "multinode" tower to imagine the large communication ship (with bays on its ventral side) described in the novell or it was a bayless (and bulbless

) type of destroyers upside down relative to other capital ships?
Guess which one's more likely.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-01-05 05:51am

vakundok wrote:We saw aproximately a kilometer hull

Sorry, it was more. If it was a converted ISD upside down, we saw nearly the whole.
BTW the original question was whether why it was upside down. What kind of special equipment it was crarrying in the place of the hangar bays? Was that this equipment that required this positioning?
Maybe it carried some kind of fleet ECM, to help the fleet stay hidden and there were one ship of this kind at the bottom and another (upside down) at the top of the formation. (It seemed to be sligthly higher than the two other destroyers seen, however it is very hard to determine.)

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-05 06:26am

vakundok wrote: Sorry, it was more. If it was a converted ISD upside down, we saw nearly the whole.
BTW the original question was whether why it was upside down. What kind of special equipment it was crarrying in the place of the hangar bays? Was that this equipment that required this positioning?
Maybe it carried some kind of fleet ECM, to help the fleet stay hidden and there were one ship of this kind at the bottom and another (upside down) at the top of the formation. (It seemed to be sligthly higher than the two other destroyers seen, however it is very hard to determine.)

Too bad the obvious real life explanation is of no help to us- it's one of those many ships of the ROTJ battle they simply couldn't build ....

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-01-05 07:45am

Well let's collect what we know about this ship:
-if it's the dorsal side, the ship is considerably larger than an ISD
-if it's the ventral side, there's no hangar.

Too bad the obvious real life explanation is of no help to us- it's one of those many ships of the ROTJ battle they simply couldn't build ....

Perhaps they'll add them to the DVD special-special edition?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-05 08:11am

Cpt_Frank wrote:
Perhaps they'll add them to the DVD special-special edition?

Now there's a dream

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-01-05 08:27am

Vympel wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote:
Perhaps they'll add them to the DVD special-special edition?
Now there's a dream

That and a Victory class in Episode III conducting a BDZ operations in a few minutes

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-01-06 09:06am

Cpt_Frank wrote:Well let's collect what we know about this ship:
-if it's the dorsal side, the ship is considerably larger than an ISD
-if it's the ventral side, there's no hangar.

And it is upside down for unknown reason.

I feel it does not lack the secondary bay, but it is covered with a (movable) armoured plate for additional protection, so it lacks only the primary bay and likely the troop and a portion of the figther contingent.

Are there any resource about that ship? Or can we design our own version?

BTW, do you agree with the bulb being officially the reactor? The whole globe could be fully internal without much problem. I instead support the early plans in which that the globe is the main tractor beam.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-06 09:39am

vakundok wrote:
And it is upside down for unknown reason.
I feel it does not lack the secondary bay, but it is covered with a (movable) armoured plate for additional protection, so it lacks only the primary bay and likely the troop and a portion of the figther contingent.

Are there any resource about that ship? Or can we design our own version?

BTW, do you agree with the bulb being officially the reactor? The whole globe could be fully internal without much problem. I instead support the early plans in which that the globe is the main tractor beam.

There are absolutely no resources on it- speculation says it may be the communications ship (which may be the ship with multiple bridge nodules) or it may be of the same class as the Allegiance seen in Dark Empire.

Lots of mays.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-01-06 10:13am

What other shots do we have of the communications ship?
I know of the shot of the conning tower and a large ship that can be seen from the throne room window.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-06 10:17am

Cpt_Frank wrote: I know of the shot of the conning tower and a large ship that can be seen from the throne room window.

Got a pic? I never noticed that. They're probably all one and the same.

I'm not aware of any others

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-01-06 11:37am

Right of the Executor. It appears to be as far away as the Executor yet is about 1/4 as long, that'd mean it's about 3,5 km long, significantly larger than a ISD.

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2003-01-06 06:15pm

Cpt_Frank wrote:Right of the Executor. It appears to be as far away as the Executor yet is about 1/4 as long, that'd mean it's about 3,5 km long, significantly larger than a ISD.

Could be Home One.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-06 09:34pm

Sardaukar wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote:Right of the Executor. It appears to be as far away as the Executor yet is about 1/4 as long, that'd mean it's about 3,5 km long, significantly larger than a ISD.
Could be Home One.

Impossible- the Rebel fleet hand't engaged the Imperial fleet at point blank range at the time, so there's no way the Home One could have moved past the Executor.

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2003-01-06 10:44pm

Vympel wrote:
Sardaukar wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote:Right of the Executor. It appears to be as far away as the Executor yet is about 1/4 as long, that'd mean it's about 3,5 km long, significantly larger than a ISD.
Could be Home One.
Impossible- the Rebel fleet hand't engaged the Imperial fleet at point blank range at the time, so there's no way the Home One could have moved past the Executor.

didn't palpatine indicate that luke was looking at the rebel fleet or something at that time anyway?
could it possibly be the rebel fleet and not the imperial?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-06 10:46pm

Sardaukar wrote:
didn't palpatine indicate that luke was looking at the rebel fleet or something at that time anyway?
could it possibly be the rebel fleet and not the imperial?

He didn't specifically say 'you are looking at the Rebel fleet'. That picture is blurry, but from ROTJ the big ship is the Executor, I'm certain of it.

"Your fleet is lost." is what he says IIRC.

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2003-01-06 11:04pm

Vympel wrote:He didn't specifically say 'you are looking at the Rebel fleet'. That picture is blurry, but from ROTJ the big ship is the Executor, I'm certain of it.

"Your fleet is lost." is what he says IIRC.

from the script:

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98 INT DEATH STAR - EMPEROR'S THRONE ROOM 98

Through the round window behind the Emperor's throne can be seen
the distant flashes of the space battle in progress.
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104 INT EMPEROR'S TOWER - THRONE ROOM 104

The Emperor, Vader, and a horrified Luke watch the aerial battle
fireworks out the window and on the viewscreens. Another Rebel
ship explodes against the protective shield.
-

does the novelisation say anything definate?

there are explosions amongst the fleet we see out the window. is this the rebel fleet shooting long range at the imp fleet, or is it the imp fighters flying about the rebel fleet?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-06 11:10pm

Sardaukar wrote:
from the script:

-
98 INT DEATH STAR - EMPEROR'S THRONE ROOM 98

Through the round window behind the Emperor's throne can be seen
the distant flashes of the space battle in progress.
-
104 INT EMPEROR'S TOWER - THRONE ROOM 104

The Emperor, Vader, and a horrified Luke watch the aerial battle
fireworks out the window and on the viewscreens. Another Rebel
ship explodes against the protective shield.
-

does the novelisation say anything definate?

there are explosions amongst the fleet we see out the window. is this the rebel fleet shooting long range at the imp fleet, or is it the imp fighters flying about the rebel fleet?

I'm not so sure now ... dammit if only I could find the ROTJ novelization I stole from my primary school librar- erm never mind.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-01-07 06:15am

Distance (especially in space) absolutely can not be measured from one view. (Only if you know exactly the size of the related objects.) It could be even a 3 cm scratch on the window!

Can someone take a shot of the window just before Luke got his sword from the throne?

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