Project: "EU-fic"

[Admiral Felire]

I say that the Senate crowns him, or that he gains enough support to say it so they agree.

But however it happens I think it should be on screen. It needs to be 'seen' and included in the Prequel Trilogy, its important enough.

As do I think the combat between Palpatine and Yoda. That was a very important battle - its why Yoda decided to go into hiding. By fighting he realized that the Sith had one, and only time and patience could free the galaxy. Not war. So he realized that the only way to win was to loose in the shorterm. That is a very important aspect.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I agree with this. The acclamation needs to be shown explicitly. I would've preferred that they'd shown Dangor announcing the suspension of the Senate "for the duration of the emergency" in ANH too, myself, if I were redoing it.

[Admiral Felire]

Okay then, that's settled. Palpatine will be crowned in the episode. I say Episode 2 (like I have been for a long time).

I think it also needs to be shown in the movies that by the end Palpatine controlled both the Republic factions and all the disparate Clone Wars factions. That he controlled the galaxy even before he was declared Emperor and thus gained it 'legally.' The reveal that he was behind all of it was such a WOW moment it should be retained.

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Non Episode Points

I think that Palpatine should have become a Senator a decade or so before the Clone Wars began. Thus he could say that there was a time when he did not serve in a war. It would allow him some nice political pull.

I think that Palpatine should have become Chancellor about 10 or so years before the first movie. This grants him a lot of time but not soo much time as the official leader. It also allows things like 'how did he extend his term in office' and all that.

I say that the events of the official Episode 1 movie, the Naboo Crisis, should also occur. And it should be the events that make Palpatine the Chancellor. It might not happen in our version of Episode 1, but I think it should occur nontheless. I think Qui-Gon Jinn should die at this point fighting Darth Maul. Obi-Wan kills Maul. Its an interesting battle and should be kept, even if not in the movie.

I think that when Palpatine became Chancellor, Padme became the Senator from Naboo. I think that works.

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Timeline

-50 I - Palpatine is appointed to the Galactic Senate as representative of Naboo.

-40c I - This is the date some historians point as being the start of the Clone Wars.

-10c I - The Naboo Crisis. Senator Palpatine becomes elected Chancellor Palpatine.

-5 I - The Battle of Coruscant. (Episode 1)

-0 I - Palpatine becomes Emperor. Rise of the Galactic Empire. (Episode 2)

3 I - The Duel. The Purge. The end of the Jedi. The Rise of Darth Vader. (Episode 3)

[evillejedi]

Things I would like to see kept or expanded upon

The Sith overarching plot of destroying political opposition, the Jedi and seeding chaos and confusion to cover it all by orchestrating the clone wars should be kept in its entirety.

I like the idea of the clone wars to be a series of events before the movies and not necessarily played out as a separatist movement (Tyranus drums up some real mandolorians just like the KOTOR era)


===EP1====
The Trade Federation, banking clan and techno Union all selling to both sides of the war through various subsidiaries while amassing incredible wealth should be implied and discussed. The small change would be that they are not the initial opposing faction in the clone wars and they become standing Navies with galactic reach to defend their own interests. The Naboo dispute could stem from the Republic not offering enough protection from the clone wars, and rather than simple corporate greed this would escalate to the point where the TF/TU/BC actively operates against republic interests under the guidance of Tyranus and Sidious (all of this part of the need to destroy opposition to Palpatines rise to power inside the Republic)

This would help explain why the Naboo blockade is important to Palpatine.

Naboo should be given more importance politically, maybe as a sector the region could be uniquely suited and infrastructured for raw fuel materials, synthesis and refining and possibly be a hold out inside the TU which has started attempting hostile takeovers of industries it does not encompass given the lack of Republic control. The queen should be shown petitioning Palpatine (as a senator) for Republic concessions or support.

Obiwan and Quigon still go to naboo, still get ambushed and still take the queen with them back through the blockade

Anakin is discovered on Tatooine (at least make him a teenager or older at this point) after Qui gon, Obiwan and the queen stop there for repairs, the battle with maul should still happen on tatooine (skip the pod race completely ,or just for S&G's have Qui gon go meet a Watto like character at a junkyard in the pod race arena and have anakin coming out of a pod racer as an excellent pilot, no need to show the race, just show that he is exceptional, with the knight interpretation he could even have been trained but for various reasons was not currently on the front I don't know, just an easy way to rethink the existing situation) This serves as the introduction for anakin and the introduction of an off screen romance. They do a petition at coruscant They return with anakin being an instrumental part of the offensive.

I see no reason to attack Alderaan, show a different world or a campaign against the Core that anakin and Obiwan must act in, The issuance of emergency powers and palpatines rise to chancellor in the end of EP1 can be based on both the Naboo issue and the attacks on the Core that round out the movie. this would be a good place to introduce Grevious and Tyranus as well.


=====EP2========
EP2 can be started with a flareup of the dying gasps of the clone wars due to the fabricated introduction of the TF/TU/BC. The Sith plan should work like a chess board in this movie, convenient elimination of difficult allies, unlikely sudden alliances and offenses as the clone wars end and everyone tries to fit into the new order that is slowly being formed.

I fully agree that Tarkin should be instrumental in shaping the policies of the New Order, but I wouldn't go beyond playing him as a counterpoint to the opposing faction (dooku and grevious) give him a mandator and let him have some rule by fear fun with separatist worlds.

Dooku, Maul, Ventress all should be present as part of the proposed change to the Banite Sith (two lords of unlimited power with hordes of cronies and underlings) Grevious should also be present pretty much in his current form, the exact method of his death should not be the same camp.

Yoda can be consulted by carious characters during the course of the movie for wisdom, if the order is to be loosely defined he should be a sage of great wisdom that Jedi go to for guidance. As before the temple can be nothing more than a kiosk for Republic interaction with whatever Jedi wish to act on its behalf.

Coruscant should still be attacked leading to the elimination of Dooku and furthering Anakin's slide to the darkside under palpatine (we should steadily see him go from obiwan to palpatine in this movie, but not completely fall, it should end with him halfway between the Jedi Order and the New Order)

Palpatine should be the executor of the Sith legacy and steadily gain influence until he is crowned Emperor (keep the senate scene from EP3 exactly how it is, even with the Mace fight prelude and anakin's interference)

keep the yoda palpatine fight (honestly I loved this evil cackling and odd facial expressions and all), at this point yoda disappears noting full well that a sith is in power and he is not currently able to do anything about it.

end EP2

====EP3====
Anakin begins the purge based on misinformation from palpatine (personally I like the premonition of death, and Anakin following the sith ever deeper to achieve immortality not for himself so much as his love) I don't really see this as being 10 years late, but rather a few years maximum.

Bail, Mon Mothma, Bel Iblis etc should be shown actively taking steps to set up a deep seated subversive movement (something that can legitimately claim to be supported in secret financially, politically and philosophically 20 years later by a good fraction of the galaxy)

Play Tarkin off the above as a menacing presence and a constant threat. Show a tightening of Palpatines inner circle and Anakin's culling of the TF/TU/BC leaders should be part of Anakins trip to the Darkside (not at mustafar) The installation of Loyalists to lock down the galactic trade and industrial base (bringing the Powerful corporate sectors of Corellia and Kuat immediately into the Empire with tantalizing contracts and near complete control of the major galactic trading and banking industry) could be part of the third movie crawl if it doesn't need to be shown.

The actual mechanics of the birth of the twins I don't know about but I believe anakin should kill his wife not in rage, but because he believes that he HAS to to fulfill his destiny.

Anakin should still kill younglings, this has a certainty of his CHOICE to use the darkside and uphold the New Order.

the duel should happen pretty much as in EP3, but be after the majority of the purge, Obi wan seeks to stop anakin as a last ditch measure.

show the vader construction scene, but change the last bit with the pathetic yelling.

end movie with ben in tatooine sunsets.

[Darth Raptor]

Let's get this thread back on the topic of general organization and recruitment. All in-depth discussion and actual writing should be diverted to Fanfics.

PT Era

RotJ-NJO Era

NJO Era

[Admiral Felire]

Darth Raptor, I just want to say nice job on the huge list of new threads. I think that will come in handy in organization.

I just wish there was a way for us to divide and parscle the posts in this thread to its respective threads for better organization. But that is not possible without a moderator doing it and I don't think its quick work for them.

[Darth Hoth]

Is this thread the right place to post notices?

In any case, I shall not be able to post tomorrow, and probably not the day after, either. Can we please refrain from major story decisions in that time? Otherwise, everyone carry on; you are doing a great job.

[Admiral Felire]

That is fine, I won't post any life changing ideas or whatnot in that timeframe. I figure if one of our main members cannot participate then we should pause for a moment, otherwise we will move so fast that they cannot keep up.

[Illuminatus Primus]

It goes without saying a major decision can't be made with you not present, Hoth.

[Crayz9000]

Guys,

I just put a basic MediaWiki install online at http://tech.graphicsone.com/efwiki.

The only thing I have so far is that anonymous users can't edit, so you are forced to sign up before doing anything. Any other suggestions?

[phongn]

I'm having trouble accessing it Crayz, but with due respect, what's stopping them from using the SDN one?

[Crayz9000]

I'm having trouble accessing it Crayz, but with due respect, what's stopping them from using the SDN one?

D'oh, forgot that existed...

[Admiral Felire]

I too had a problem with getting to the page, it did not show up when I clicked.

That said, I appreciate the fact that you created the wiki for us, its much appreciated.

At the same time, we do have the ImperialWiki (which I too forgot about) that exists and could be used for our purposes, if we use it.

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How does the idea sound of creating a new category page called EU-Fic. And then within that front page category we could create smaller topics equating to Prequel Era, Endor to NJO, NJO, and Legacy.

I would do it but I am not sure of any etiquette involved in writing and creating pages in that wiki.

[Admiral Felire]

As this is the membership forum, I would just like to come in here a moment and say that, for various reasons and decision making forces, I am removing myself from this project. I feel that my interests and expectations and those of the other members have diverged too far for me to agree with them in specifics and to continue to provide input.

With the exception of the occasional comment in the other threads when highly interesting articles or entries appear (such as the proposed attempt to chart out the Galactic Republic in similar format to the way Publius' does things) I will no longer be posting or participating in anything of the project. Thus this will be my final regular post.

I would also like to make note that because of my continued interest in the Second Galactic Empire thread, as well as the way that the other sections have divulged so far from the concept or necessity of having a Second Empire, that part of the project is being branched off into its own section. As no problems exist between me and the members of the EU Fic Project I do state that those working in that project, or those just coming in for moments, continue to work on coming up with a highly interesting and entertaining Second Empire.

Thank you.

[Czechmate]

While hopelessly behind the ball due to account difficulties, I would like to wholeheartedly volunteer myself for this effort. I happen to believe that the EU has taken a wreck of a turn.

Semirelated; What, precisely, is the dating system being used? If someone could elucidate on the details, it would be much appreciated.

[Karmic Knight]

Semirelated; What, precisely, is the dating system being used? If someone could elucidate on the details, it would be much appreciated.

I believe we are using the Great ReSynchronization as our universal, bipartisan, clock.

[Czechmate]

I believe we are using the Great ReSynchronization as our universal, bipartisan, clock.

Urg. Never liked the Resynch calendar. I think a pre-Empire/post-Empire (ie pre-19 BBY/post 19 BBY) calendar might be more interesting and certainly more flavorful, but I will use BRS/GRS if I must. :3

[Illuminatus Primus]

We're not sure if we're not moving the beginning date of the Empire, so Resynch is fixed. So is the Yavin clock, but Resynch is more neutral.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

The Trade Federation, banking clan and techno Union all selling to both sides of the war through various subsidiaries while amassing incredible wealth should be implied and discussed. The small change would be that they are not the initial opposing faction in the clone wars and they become standing Navies with galactic reach to defend their own interests. The Naboo dispute could stem from the Republic not offering enough protection from the clone wars, and rather than simple corporate greed this would escalate to the point where the TF/TU/BC actively operates against republic interests under the guidance of Tyranus and Sidious (all of this part of the need to destroy opposition to Palpatines rise to power inside the Republic)

This would help explain why the Naboo blockade is important to Palpatine.

Naboo should be given more importance politically, maybe as a sector the region could be uniquely suited and infrastructured for raw fuel materials, synthesis and refining and possibly be a hold out inside the TU which has started attempting hostile takeovers of industries it does not encompass given the lack of Republic control. The queen should be shown petitioning Palpatine (as a senator) for Republic concessions or support.

Actually, it would make even more interesting realpolitik if Naboo weren't the only planet having a problem with that. Perhaps make Naboo the base of the sector command, or perhaps even a Senator for a sector (I believe it was mentioned that senators tend to represent sectors), and have some other ambassadors in the sector involved. It won't be all that well for a major planet in a sector to be violated that way by a major company.

[Ender]

I won't participate in the writing. I have taken the stuff I started on a while back and am restructuring it to be something totally different, specifically the deconstruction of the space opera genre. That said, I am willing to act as technical consultant and editor if so desired.

[Czechmate]

I hadn't mentioned it yet, but I was an (albeit small) part of the DrakaFic research team. I spent some time working on the later parts of the Eurasian War/Second World War, and much of that time was spent researching locations and planning battles at length.

Now, on to my original point.

After having spent the better part of an entire night perusing this thread and the immensely detailed input offered by such project members as Illuminatus Primus, Felire, Hoth, and numerous others, I have realized what service I could actually offer this project; I would like to work on a clear, concise listing of vessels and units featured in the militaries of such prominent galactic powers as the Galactic Republic, Galactic Empire, New Republic, and so forth.

I propose that we/I/etc gather data from various sources, most especially Saxton's commentaries and the vast number of sites across the internet whose (sometimes dubious) information can be cross-referenced with wookieepedia and established numbers in the various Essential Guides, ICS books, &c.

Additionally, I would like to participate in the prequel reboot (to start, I would suppose), as that would allow those on the 'Starship Team' (myself, anyone else who is already working on such, or is interested in working on such) to, ideally, be able to exert a subtle influence on the timeline pertaining to various vessels' creation and prominent vessels seen.

Relating to Palpatine's long-planned revenge and rise to power (the first half of the 'anakin skywalker' part of the timeline, as Herr Lucas would put it), I believe that certain elements (the coordinated, preplanned betrayal of the Jedi, for example) should remain, but their specifics should be changed for a smoother explanation; in current canon, Order Sixty-Six was simply a written 'contingency order' given to all clone soldiers of the Grand Army of the Republic. I feel that it would make more sense for this to have been an indoctrinated order, part of their flash-learning processes on Kamino and/or Coruscant and/or Centax-2 (or was it Centax-1?). This would do a much more believable, coherent job of explaining their utter lack of hesitation in eliminating their leaders.

And...well, let me know what you all think of these ideas.

[Crayz9000]

Guys,

I created an EU-Fic index page on the Imperial Wiki. I just put some filler in for now, but we can start adding real content.

I'm going to put some of the background I have up as well.

[Darth Raptor]

I have realized what service I could actually offer this project; I would like to work on a clear, concise listing of vessels and units featured in the militaries of such prominent galactic powers as the Galactic Republic, Galactic Empire, New Republic, and so forth.

Excellent. Bear in mind that there's going to be a lot more overlap and a lot less exclusivity and distinction in our EU than in the official canon. For example, the T-65 series is NOT used exclusively by the Alliance/Republic. Imperial Remnants and the Empire proper will use it for long-range reconnaissance and strike missions. Obviously, they'll favor the Xg-1 for political reasons, but those won't always be available and politics will take a back seat to pragmatism in our EU.

Similarly, the majority of the New Republic's early military hardware will be inherited wholesale from fragments of the Empire. They won't balk at using TIEs, walkers or Star Destroyers. They'll just slap a Starbird and a Republic paint job on the things and throw them into service. Obviously the Mon Cals, Incom et al will get preferential treatment, but again, politics versus pragmatism. Our Republic is nowhere near as fucktarded as the canon NR.

In short, you should focus less on political affiliation and more on role/era. Obvious exceptions would be the kit-bashed civilian crap the Alliance was forced to use out of desperation. Most Imperials would scuttle a captured MC-80 before they'd use it themselves.

I propose that we/I/etc gather data from various sources, most especially Saxton's commentaries and the vast number of sites across the internet whose (sometimes dubious) information can be cross-referenced with wookieepedia and established numbers in the various Essential Guides, ICS books, &c.

Additionally, I would like to participate in the prequel reboot (to start, I would suppose), as that would allow those on the 'Starship Team' (myself, anyone else who is already working on such, or is interested in working on such) to, ideally, be able to exert a subtle influence on the timeline pertaining to various vessels' creation and prominent vessels seen.

That would be awesome. The current thinking is that most designs would fall into one of four categories: The prewar, thousand-year-peace designs (e.g., Dreadnaughts, Mandators), emergency mobilization efforts (a hasty retooling and re-purposing of civilian ships, e.g. Lucrehulks, MC-80s), dedicated war-fighting ships and postwar counter-insurgency designs. This applies to both the Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Raptor, I had medium-range recon and fighter/strike multi-role pinned down for the T-65 too (great minds think alike? ) It might be a politically less desired run due to the political faux pas at Incom, but still there, and sees production during the Clone Wars or earlier even, and increased usage during the "hot" flare-ups of the Civil War when they need whatever they can get their hands on. And especially by the desperate Remnant (extra-T-65 parts and technicians might be easier to come by in the late, Remnant phases of the war).

Also, I'd not make the MC-80s as shitty, or have more of them. Perhaps they had dedicated and tough Mon Cal designs but not many of them and supplemented with civilian garbage or upgunned armed merchantmen?

I don't think the Republic or her enemies will use Lucrehulks or MC-80-like kitbashes in pitched battle; I meant more like mobilization-run Dreadnaughts and Mandators, though I can see Lucrehulks and MC-80s serving in the rear as Q-ships and armed merchantmen and merchant cruisers. The Rebellion will use a lot of that stuff out of desperation and shortage of dedicated materiel.

Taking a page from Galvatron and to avoid the problems with mobilization and requipment time, perhaps Star Destroyers and such are offered by some makers in the pre-war period, but no one buys them due to tradition and corruption, and Palpatine spearheads mobilizing them. Its a big, big galaxy. All kinds of stuff can be being built at any given time, what matters is what people are buying in a given situation.

[Pelranius]

Couldn't we also make Naboo a cultural and academic/intellectual center for the Outer Rim, so that a war there would carry a high profile psychological impact on the galaxy at large?