The Official Episode III spoiler thread

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-09-25 02:57pm

For the time being it's good enough for me. I still wanted Frank Welker, but oh well...

"Count Dooku, the Republic is digging in the wrong place!"

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-09-25 05:33pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:For the time being it's good enough for me. I still wanted Frank Welker, but oh well...

"Count Dooku, the Republic is digging in the wrong place!"

Nah, it's be "Jedi. Very dangerous. You go first."

And I'd like to see what the question he was answering with that line of how the conditions were first.

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2004-09-26 02:15am

The recipient at hardy.r at gmail dot com would be seriously pissed if the aforementioned photos somehow arrived in his inbox...

Dillon · Post by **Dillon** » 2004-09-26 02:03pm

I would hate to see said pics show up at [address removed].

Dillon · Post by **Dillon** » 2004-09-26 02:07pm

Did anyone else watch that Return of Darth Vader thing on the Bonus Disc that came with the OT DVD boxset?

Did I understand wrong, or is Hayden going to be the one in the Darth Vader suit?

Isn't he a bit short and slender for the role?

I guess the slenderness could be fixed with the costume, but how are they going to make him look 6'7"? Platform shoes?

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-09-26 02:12pm

observer_20000 wrote:Did anyone else watch that Return of Darth Vader thing on the Bonus Disc that came with the OT DVD boxset?

Did I understand wrong, or is Hayden going to be the one in the Darth Vader suit?

Isn't he a bit short and slender for the role?

I guess the slenderness could be fixed with the costume, but how are they going to make him look 6'7"? Platform shoes?

Well the guy who played Vader in the ESB fights wasn't much taller then Hayden and Vader helmet a loose fit on Hayden's head.

Dillon · Post by **Dillon** » 2004-09-26 02:29pm

Lord Revan wrote:
observer_20000 wrote:Did anyone else watch that Return of Darth Vader thing on the Bonus Disc that came with the OT DVD boxset?

Did I understand wrong, or is Hayden going to be the one in the Darth Vader suit?

Isn't he a bit short and slender for the role?

I guess the slenderness could be fixed with the costume, but how are they going to make him look 6'7"? Platform shoes?
Well the guy who played Vader in the ESB fights wasn't much taller then Hayden and Vader helmet a loose fit on Hayden's head.

Actually, I was wondering how much height was added by the helmet, and it turns out not enough. David Prowse is actually 6'7" and Hayden is only 6'1". I guess it could be reasoned that most of Vader is cybernetic and that he could have "upgraded" himself. But it won't be the same without Vader being taller than everyone else.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-09-26 02:31pm

observer_20000 wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:
observer_20000 wrote:Did anyone else watch that Return of Darth Vader thing on the Bonus Disc that came with the OT DVD boxset?

Did I understand wrong, or is Hayden going to be the one in the Darth Vader suit?

Isn't he a bit short and slender for the role?

I guess the slenderness could be fixed with the costume, but how are they going to make him look 6'7"? Platform shoes?
Well the guy who played Vader in the ESB fights wasn't much taller then Hayden and Vader helmet a loose fit on Hayden's head.
Actually, I was wondering how much height was added by the helmet, and it turns out not enough. David Prowse is actually 6'7" and Hayden is only 6'1". I guess it could be reasoned that most of Vader is cybernetic and that he could have "upgraded" himself. But it won't be the same without Vader being taller than everyone else.

Prowse isn't in the Vader suit during the ESB fight.

Dillon · Post by **Dillon** » 2004-09-26 02:34pm

Lord Revan wrote:Prowse isn't in the Vader suit during the ESB fight.

Oh. He still did seem pretty tall though, although mark Hamill is kind of short. Was it the same stuntman who was in the suit when Vader picked up Palpatine in ROTJ?

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2004-09-27 12:14am

Six inches is quite easy to fudge on film, especially in shots further in than a medium shot (just put him on a platform. hell, they did that for Han and Leia quite a few times in ESB), and if the actors' distance from the camera isn't the same in long shots you're probably not going to be able to notice. He's only in the movie for like 2-5 minutes anyway.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-09-30 09:11am

Ebay is a hell of a thing

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2004-09-30 11:21am

The guy in the Vader suit during ESB was fencing master Bob Anderson, who's done work on hundreds of movies including the LOTR trilogy. They were concerned that Prowse, due to the suit's limited visibility, might injure Mark Hamill, so Anderson donned the suit for the fight scenes; the only bits Prowse was involved with was the last bit where he's talking to Luke, after cutting off Luke's hand.

More info regarding Anderson's role as fight coordinator for the original trilogy can be found in... where is that damn book... "By the Sword", by Richard Cohen-- a most excellent history of fencing in real life, books, and film (the film section, especially, is highly enlightening).

EDIT: As for Hayden's height, I believe that a.) the only scenes Vader will be involved in will (most probably) be in the operating room, or a balcony scene with the Emperor (I've seen set photos of the latter). In both cases height isn't a concern; Hayden could easily be standing on a box in the balcony scene, and as for the operating-room scene, simply tilt the table he's on a bit so he appears a little longer than he actually is. Lucas would be a fool not to employ a few LOTR-esque camera tricks here and there if he had to...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-09-30 11:51pm

Additionally, for most of the fight scenes, Anderson didn't have the Vader helmet on because it restricted his breathing to only ten minutes of action.

Alan Bolte · Post by **Alan Bolte** » 2004-09-30 11:53pm

What are those orange glowy things in the lower left?

For that matter, I can't make out much of the pic at all. That's definitely a TF Battleship on the left, and that's the battle over Coruscant, but I can't figure out the rest.

Post by **Coyote** » 2004-10-01 01:09am

Purloined images of Star Wars ships, creatures, locations and so forth must not fall into the hands of latrans762(at)yahoo.com

The fate of the free world depends on it!

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2004-10-01 11:04pm

Ahem, behold some good quality scans of the Topps heritage series. These were posted by some guy at MF.com.

There are 8

I'll see if I can find their back, they have some new spoilers. One of the cards confirms that Palpatine forces the Jedi to put Anakin on the Council.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-10-02 12:21am

In the Galactic Conflict one, is that fire and smoke rising from Coruscant? Look at the bottom left of the card.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-10-02 12:30am

Vympel wrote:In the Galactic Conflict one, is that fire and smoke rising from Coruscant? Look at the bottom left of the card.

I don't think so. I think it's just a starship that went boom.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-10-02 05:44am

Ahem, behold some good quality scans of the Topps heritage series. These were posted by some guy at MF.com.

There are 8

I'll see if I can find their back, they have some new spoilers. One of the cards confirms that Palpatine forces the Jedi to put Anakin on the Council.

The back of the cards are in the same thread on MF.com I think. Confirms Anakin on the Council (thanks to Palpatine´s insistance), partially confirms Yoda watching a recording of Anakin slaughtering Jedi en masse, Padme struggeling for her life as she gives birth to the twins etc.

Here they are:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/Sebulba/h ... 8backs.jpg

EDIT: In the Coruscant battle-pic, I see possibly tri-droid fighters, Anakin and Obi-Wan´s Jedi TIE fighters, Venator Star Destroyers, Trade Federation donut ships

, two Banking Clan Cruisers (at the bottom, the ones with command-towers stretching above and below the main hull). Confusing scene.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-10-02 10:28pm

In insider, Pablo says Grevios is not a force user.

But consider the source. Frankly, having grevious be a force user, Dooku's apprentice, and they are trying to kidnap palpatine to kill him so Dooku becomes the master is far more plausible. Fits with... well everything. Including the fact Pablo usually talks out his ass.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-10-02 11:29pm

Ender wrote:In insider, Pablo says Grevios is not a force user.

But consider the source.

Misinformation campaign on the part of Lucasfilm? If Pablo is talking out his arse then frankly I have to wonder why they keep him onboard as an employee. If on the other hand he's putting out deliberately false information to fool the audience then it might be a little more understandable.

Then again, I suppose idiocy is easier to believe than conspiracy.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-10-02 11:40pm

Stofsk wrote:
Ender wrote:In insider, Pablo says Grevios is not a force user.

But consider the source.
Misinformation campaign on the part of Lucasfilm? If Pablo is talking out his arse then frankly I have to wonder why they keep him onboard as an employee. If on the other hand he's putting out deliberately false information to fool the audience then it might be a little more understandable.

Then again, I suppose idiocy is easier to believe than conspiracy.

It seems to mesh more with the story line if Grievous is a force user - He is Dooku's apprentice, so they kidnap Palpatine to kill him so Dooku becomes the new sith master, Grievous his apprentice. If Grievous is not a force user, then why does Dooku kidnap Palpatine? He has no apprentice (unless it is a schmuck that gets killed so quick he isn't even named).

I can easily see this being yet another case of Pablo holding his view and promoting it regardless of what the films say. If he hasn't seen the film yet (very believable, the guy is just shy of the bottom of the totem pole as I understand it) or has only seen a few chunks and has a mistaken idea of what goes on and he didn't bother to check...

Look at the track record here.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-10-02 11:46pm

Ender wrote:It seems to mesh more with the story line if Grievous is a force user - He is Dooku's apprentice, so they kidnap Palpatine to kill him so Dooku becomes the new sith master, Grievous his apprentice. If Grievous is not a force user, then why does Dooku kidnap Palpatine? He has no apprentice (unless it is a schmuck that gets killed so quick he isn't even named).

What about this Assaji Ventriss chick? The one Anakin duels in the rain in the Clone Wars cartoon? She was somebody's apprentice, surely...

I can easily see this being yet another case of Pablo holding his view and promoting it regardless of what the films say. If he hasn't seen the film yet (very believable, the guy is just shy of the bottom of the totem pole as I understand it) or has only seen a few chunks and has a mistaken idea of what goes on and he didn't bother to check...

Look at the track record here.

Yeah, fair enough. I just thought maybe Lucasfilm might try to fool and misdirect the audience into expecting something in particular, and come the film's release they find out it's really a different direction. But Pablo, as you say, isn't a high ranking member of the company, and has acted like a shithead on numerous occasions.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-10-02 11:55pm

Stofsk wrote: What about this Assaji Ventriss chick? The one Anakin duels in the rain in the Clone Wars cartoon? She was somebody's apprentice, surely...

EU creation. Not in the movies.

Yeah, fair enough. I just thought maybe Lucasfilm might try to fool and misdirect the audience into expecting something in particular, and come the film's release they find out it's really a different direction. But Pablo, as you say, isn't a high ranking member of the company, and has acted like a shithead on numerous occasions.

It's possible that he isn't a force user. It would certainly explain his death better. And maybe he isn't but the Jedi just think he is, and when it turns out that is wrong, then they suspect palpatine or something. So maybe pablo is right.

Or maybe this is another thing like "Revenge of the Jedi", and it is to throw people off track. But my money is on Pablo doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-10-03 12:01am

Ventress isn't a Sith apprentice- neither Dooku nor Palpatine trained her in Sith ways, she's just a Dark Jedi. Check the databank entry.