Tharkun:
Perhaps Kamino did not have line-of-sight w/ Coruscant, and since he hadn't left the system there was no way to check optics directly. Nebulas and stuff could be in the way, and for some reason whoever deleted Kamino from the records omitted to delete the gravitational affects of its presence from the record of the other stars' positions.
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Perhaps Kamino did not have line-of-sight w/ Coruscant, and since he hadn't left the system there was no way to check optics directly. Nebulas and stuff could be in the way, and for some reason whoever deleted Kamino from the records omitted to delete the gravitational affects of its presence from the record of the other stars' positions.
If Kamino doesn't have LOS ... call a different planet and have them look at the sky. I mean this is the galaxy where you can talk real time halfway across the bloody thing.
As far as nebula's being in the way ... the nebula will not block all the EM radiation ... because the nebula itself will heat up and EM will then reach Coruscant. No matter what is the in the way you will evently see the IR/radio coming through.
As far as the gravitational effects let's say that Kamino has a Sol type mass (about 10^31 kg) and the nearest star is one light year away. At this distance its gravitational effect would be 7*10^-6 m/s/s (assuming I ran the numbers correctly). Which seems ludicriously small (as in things like Jupitor will have far greater effects).
It just bugs me that Obi-wan went through the trouble of checking the gravity (which is going to have zilch for effect) ... but didn't try optics. It was almost Star Trek in its ability to use a hideously difficult procedure to get results a far simpler method would have been superior at. I mean its look up at the bloody night sky or at worst phone a friend and have them look at it.
If Kamino doesn't have LOS ... call a different planet and have them look at the sky. I mean this is the galaxy where you can talk real time halfway across the bloody thing.
As far as nebula's being in the way ... the nebula will not block all the EM radiation ... because the nebula itself will heat up and EM will then reach Coruscant. No matter what is the in the way you will evently see the IR/radio coming through.
As far as the gravitational effects let's say that Kamino has a Sol type mass (about 10^31 kg) and the nearest star is one light year away. At this distance its gravitational effect would be 7*10^-6 m/s/s (assuming I ran the numbers correctly). Which seems ludicriously small (as in things like Jupitor will have far greater effects).
It just bugs me that Obi-wan went through the trouble of checking the gravity (which is going to have zilch for effect) ... but didn't try optics. It was almost Star Trek in its ability to use a hideously difficult procedure to get results a far simpler method would have been superior at. I mean its look up at the bloody night sky or at worst phone a friend and have them look at it.
Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes.
Maybe I'm missing something and if so forgive me, but wasn't Obi-Wan looking at COMPUTER DISPLAYS of the planet and not the planet itself?
Because in that case, optics wouldn't matter one bit (think about it).
I think you're meaning to say, why didn't he just look in the night sky, where the planet/star was SUPPOSED to be and he'd see it? That makes perfect sense. Unless of course it was too far away to spot.. but then they should have some dang good telescopes in the SW universe, right?
Dooku didn't erase the planet, he just altered all the computer data so that the system didn't exist on any of their computer-generated maps, period (but he forgot to erase the gravitational sillouette).
Because in that case, optics wouldn't matter one bit (think about it).
I think you're meaning to say, why didn't he just look in the night sky, where the planet/star was SUPPOSED to be and he'd see it? That makes perfect sense. Unless of course it was too far away to spot.. but then they should have some dang good telescopes in the SW universe, right?
Dooku didn't erase the planet, he just altered all the computer data so that the system didn't exist on any of their computer-generated maps, period (but he forgot to erase the gravitational sillouette).
But of course, as pointed out, its a retcon fix from an official source after the fact (similar to the Kessel run or any other logical bug from the canon films). The guys who made the movie admitted they made a mistake in the first place (see the DVD audio commentary). ; )ICS says it uses some unknown FTL particles or something like that
Kurgan:
You mean to tell me they have good enough maps that they can spot that type of gravitational influence (and not just chalk it up to having the wrong mass for a nearby blackhole) or getting the orbit of gas giant slightly off?
I understand Lucas wants to make the Jedi seem arrogant and overconfident, but seriously a decent teloscope or phoning a friend on a closer planet should have easily told Obi-wan the obvious.
If you plan on going through the hellish calculations required to notice that pathetically small of an effect ... why in hell not take the simple route with optics?
Further I have to wonder how the library manages to have current data about the positions of all the other stars to notice gravity (especially considering my estimates are likely too generous on distance) ... but such maps didn't notice the EM signature of Kamino.
You mean to tell me they have good enough maps that they can spot that type of gravitational influence (and not just chalk it up to having the wrong mass for a nearby blackhole) or getting the orbit of gas giant slightly off?
I understand Lucas wants to make the Jedi seem arrogant and overconfident, but seriously a decent teloscope or phoning a friend on a closer planet should have easily told Obi-wan the obvious.
If you plan on going through the hellish calculations required to notice that pathetically small of an effect ... why in hell not take the simple route with optics?
Further I have to wonder how the library manages to have current data about the positions of all the other stars to notice gravity (especially considering my estimates are likely too generous on distance) ... but such maps didn't notice the EM signature of Kamino.
Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes.
You're absolutely right, you didn't say anything I don't agree with in your last post.
Obi-Wan and most of the Jedi were just so naive, that they assumed the maps HAD to be correct and didn't think to look at the actual starsystem (where it should be in the real night sky) with a telescope!
They just assumed that the maps were complete ("if it isn't on our charts... it doesn't exist") and the possibility that somebody had tampered with the computer didn't occur to them (except to somebody less weighted down from years of propaganda).
Obi-Wan and most of the Jedi were just so naive, that they assumed the maps HAD to be correct and didn't think to look at the actual starsystem (where it should be in the real night sky) with a telescope!
They just assumed that the maps were complete ("if it isn't on our charts... it doesn't exist") and the possibility that somebody had tampered with the computer didn't occur to them (except to somebody less weighted down from years of propaganda).