Thrawn at battle of Endor

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-09-30 09:54pm

No, the simplest explanation is Pelleaon was Thrawn's occasional sidekick and commander of his flagship, and Thrawn had no second-in-command.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2003-09-30 10:07pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:No, the simplest explanation is Pelleaon was Thrawn's occasional sidekick and commander of his flagship, and Thrawn had no second-in-command.

What about Admiral Parck?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-09-30 10:13pm

Admiral Parck is no longer part of the Imperial Navy, and thusly cannot be part of the Imperial Navy line-of-command.

Did you see him serving as a second-in-command in the TTT?

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2003-09-30 10:38pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Admiral Parck is no longer part of the Imperial Navy, and thusly cannot be part of the Imperial Navy line-of-command.

Did you see him serving as a second-in-command in the TTT?

You're right. Though in regards to Thrawn's second in command.. overall it would have been Admiral Parck. Though it does seem plausible that Thrawn was grooming Pellaeon to least help him hold his restored Empire together while he went about going what needed to be done afterwards. You can see that Thrawn was looking for a new crop of leaders that would be able to hold the line as with his creation of the clone Tierce, which didn't work out the way he wanted. Something had Thrawn worried, might have been the YV, but he felt something was out there that could take on him and the galaxy.

Lex · Post by **Lex** » 2003-10-01 09:24am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:The only reason Pestage didn't hold the Empire together was greedy political schemers stabbing him in the back. Palpatine's affinity to the Force could prevent such situations (except for the embarrasing Zaarin incident); Pestage was just a man. But he had been running the Empire for a year. Had it not been for the warlords who left after Endor the loss of the Death Star would be nil. Had they flocked to Pestage's banner they could still use their massive fleet to subdue the Rebels. They did not, and the Empire crumbled because of it.
Because he was incompetant. Zsinj, Teradoc, Harrsk, Kaine, Drommel, Krennel--they all broke away before Isard took power. Who broke away from Isard?

Dont forget SUpergeneral Delvadrus... He al least built the Night hammer. Krennel broke away from Isard. When he was instructed to hunt Pestage down, he stayed at Citriuc and didnt return to Isards Empire.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:They also conquered much of Teradoc's territory also. The foolish ambitions of Zsinj and Teradoc led to the loss of much Imperial territory, and inadvertently the other warlords who had weakened the Empire's fleet were also at fault.
No. Teradoc was involved in the battles over Zsinj's former domain. He didn't suffer territorial losses.

Zsinj wasnt pathetic. In fact, for not knowing that the Emperor would return he did a good job. If he hadnt had some Autors vs. him which had to write Courtship of Leia, or Command Han Solo he would have had quite large Realm at the point of Emperor's Return.

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:They are traitors. No Imperial commander of the remaining Empire would be caught dealing with traitors.

Yet the Emperor himself still saw them as worthy of recruitment, while Palpatine precipitated Thrawn elimination. That's odd.[/quote]

No, Thrawn was a certain Rival for him. If he hadnt died at Bilbringni, the Emperor would coertainly have had trouble dealing with him. Thrawn was a superior politican an tactican than Palpatine ever was, he would have dealt with the Emperor as he dealt with the Rebellion. And it's doubtfull that he would have allied with Palpatine. He even says:"Palpatines Imperium is dead. Our Empire has just started." Not an exact quote because i dont have the book here.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-10-01 05:18pm

I'm sorry. Did you just say Thrawn was a superior politician? Are you fucking high? Palpy created the Empire under the noses of the Jedi Council and the Republican Senate. Palpatine was the man who backed Thrawn and allowed him to be "banished" to the Unknown Regions. Thrawn was many things, a good commander. However politics was a thing that escaped him unless he had Palpy helping him.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-10-01 05:35pm

Lord Pounder wrote:I'm sorry. Did you just say Thrawn was a superior politician? .

Yes he did. He properrly basing that on a line from Vision of the Future, I think either Mara Jade or Adrimal Parc, said something alone the lines of:

In the imperiel court, Palpatine was always one step ahead, and a suprier tactition like Thrawn was two steps ahead."

Pure bullshit IMHO.

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2003-10-01 10:44pm

Thrawn was a different type of politician. He was more of a strategist. If Rukh hadn't of killed him, the NR would have been doomed.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-10-02 08:30am

StormTrooperTR889 wrote:Thrawn was a different type of politician. He was more of a strategist. If Rukh hadn't of killed him, the NR would have been doomed.

I am curious whether Thrawn was involved in any in the war against the Old Republic. Can anyone shed some light on the topic ?

Lex · Post by **Lex** » 2003-10-02 09:03am

Thrawn wasnt really involved... in the last stages of the OR, THrawn killed some Jedi for Palpatine, but that's about it. And yes, Thrawn was a better politican than anyone. if he would been a senator as well, Palpatine would have had little chance against him. unfortunatly, THrawn had to sit somewhere in the unknown regions till he was discovered. do you see the way Thrawn takes out the NR politically? he amkes Ackbar look bad, disgrades the morale with besieging coruscant ect. The emperor just used brute Force to get what he want, and thats exactly why the rebellion was able to get that strong. e.g. he allowed Tarkin to killed hundres on Raltiir(correct me if it was another planet) and even made him a Moff. although Raltirr was one of the most stable imperial worlds. and thats just one example where Palpatine uses a stardestroyer where a simple blaster would have done. what i mean is he doesnt have the finesse that Thrawn has.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-10-03 04:39pm

Junior did you actually watch the prequal movies? Palpy is a awsome politician. He manuvers things so that he wins either way. Thrawn OTOH got where he did because Palpy was in his corner BACKING HIM. Really stop swallowing Zahns bullshit on Thrawn. All EU writters try and give their own characters a 1-up on the original cast.

MrAnderson · Post by **MrAnderson** » 2003-10-03 05:36pm

Lex wrote:Thrawn wasnt really involved... in the last stages of the OR, THrawn killed some Jedi for Palpatine, but that's about it. And yes, Thrawn was a better politican than anyone. if he would been a senator as well, Palpatine would have had little chance against him. unfortunatly, THrawn had to sit somewhere in the unknown regions till he was discovered. do you see the way Thrawn takes out the NR politically? he amkes Ackbar look bad, disgrades the morale with besieging coruscant ect. The emperor just used brute Force to get what he want, and thats exactly why the rebellion was able to get that strong. e.g. he allowed Tarkin to killed hundres on Raltiir(correct me if it was another planet) and even made him a Moff. although Raltirr was one of the most stable imperial worlds. and thats just one example where Palpatine uses a stardestroyer where a simple blaster would have done. what i mean is he doesnt have the finesse that Thrawn has.

Did you cream your pants while writing that?

Lex · Post by **Lex** » 2003-10-04 02:55am

u mean the spelling of the containments?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-10-04 10:30am

Wild Karrde wrote:It was Vader who let the shuttle through, Piett didn't have a choice in the matter (unless he wanted to end up like Needa etc.)

Piett: "It's an older code, but it checks out, I was going to let them through"
Vader: "....*breathe*..."
Piett: "My lord?"
Vader: "Ouga Chaka, Ouga Chaka...

I can't stop this feeling
Deep inside of me
That Luke is on that ship
Boy you just don't realize
What you do to me..."

And thats where my memory starts to diverge from the actual events of the movie, it's been too long since I last saw ROTJ.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2003-10-04 10:44am

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Piett: "It's an older code, but it checks out, I was going to let them through"

Didn't he say Piett: It's an older code sir, but it checks, I was about clear them. ? I really need to see ROTJ again too.

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2003-10-04 12:15pm

Something I've wondered on occasion...

Star Destroyers have ion cannons, as do some Imperial fighter craft and Skipray Blastboats. Why, oh why, wouldn't Vader have just ordered the shuttlecraft disabled? He could've had a good chance of capturing Skywalker and defeating the Rebel attempt to take out the shield generator, with no Imperial losses aside from the Stormtroopers who get killed if they have to board the shuttle against Rebel resistance.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2003-10-04 12:28pm

One could claim, that as soon as he was emperor Palpatine changed from a political mastermind to an axe-swinging psychopath. Its impossible to say, how Thrawn would have performed in Palpatines place. As for the quotes from HoT, i think we have to view them from a different angle:

Parck and Fel are for once loyal followers of Thrawn and as a second probabely try to flatter Mara Jade.

The former emperor´s hand is probabely still bitter for not being called at her masters side during the DE-events.

One really has to wonder, if Zhan did this on purpose or by accident (i mean he managed to portray Thrawn as infallable in TTT (or so most of the fans understood it), but Thrawn does make mistakes).

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2003-10-04 01:38pm

FTeik wrote:
One really has to wonder, if Zhan did this on purpose or by accident (i mean he managed to portray Thrawn as infallable in TTT (or so most of the fans understood it), but Thrawn does make mistakes).

Yes of course, Thrawn is merely a normal and not force sensitive. But as Luke has commented before, some people get along just fine without any additional help from the Force.

Thrawn made the BIGGEST error in Dark Force Rising when he misinterperted the whole Khabarack (sp?) thing which of course lead ultimately to his assassination. However, it is to his credit that he does set up backup plans. He's not arrogant enough to think he'll win everytime. As Mara said, Thrawn will pull back his troops without hesitation once it's clear that he can't win. He put clone troopers on various planets ready to defend their planets (not the Empire, their homes), and he cloned himself.

So of course Thrawn is NOT infalliable. But it is without question that he's a brilliant strategist. We never really see his political skills in action except when he's demoralizing the NR.. but it's implied that those he doesn't conquer he makes allies and unlike other Imperials, he leaves his conquered some dignity to prolong the inevitable rebellion that would stir up.

Audrie_Dawn · Post by **Audrie_Dawn** » 2003-10-04 01:58pm

A photographic memory is a nice thing.

Vader: "Where is the shuttle going?"

Piett: "Shuttle Tyderium, what is your cargo and destination?"

Han (over comlink): "Parts and technical crew for the Forest Moon."

Vader: "Do they have a code clearance?"

Piett: "It's an older code, but it checks out. I was about to clear them."

<Long, ominous pause>

Piett: "Shall I hold?"

Vader: "No. Leave them to me. I will deal with them myself."

Piett: "Very well. (to crewman) Carry on."

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-10-04 05:32pm

Lex wrote:Thrawn wasnt really involved... in the last stages of the OR, THrawn killed some Jedi for Palpatine, but that's about it..

I think that Thrawn wasn't discovered by Parck Untill the empire had been formed. After all Parck's Vic was chasing Booster Terrik becuase he was supplying arms for the rebellion.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-10-04 06:41pm

Lord Pounder wrote:Junior did you actually watch the prequal movies? Palpy is a awsome politician. He manuvers things so that he wins either way. Thrawn OTOH got where he did because Palpy was in his corner BACKING HIM. Really stop swallowing Zahns bullshit on Thrawn. All EU writters try and give their own characters a 1-up on the original cast.

Read Before The Storm. It's a very good example of the scheming that Palpatine was doing in the background of the prequel movies. Specifically, it details how he first got into contact with Nute Gunray, set him up in power and slowly twisted a vice around his balls to get what he wanted out of the Trade Federation.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-10-05 05:43am

Durandal wrote:
Lord Pounder wrote:Junior did you actually watch the prequal movies? Palpy is a awsome politician. He manuvers things so that he wins either way. Thrawn OTOH got where he did because Palpy was in his corner BACKING HIM. Really stop swallowing Zahns bullshit on Thrawn. All EU writters try and give their own characters a 1-up on the original cast.
Read Before The Storm. It's a very good example of the scheming that Palpatine was doing in the background of the prequel movies. Specifically, it details how he first got into contact with Nute Gunray, set him up in power and slowly twisted a vice around his balls to get what he wanted out of the Trade Federation.

Don't you mean Cloak of Deception?

Before the Storm was the first book in the Black Fleet Crisis

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-10-05 06:55am

Why was the Katana fleet so important ?

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-10-05 08:36am

iirc, thats been talked about in another thread.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-10-05 10:17am

Enforcer Talen wrote:iirc, thats been talked about in another thread.

Can you post a link ?

StarDestroyer.Net BBS

Thrawn at battle of Endor

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