All About the Eclipse Star Destroyer

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-08 07:53pm

Weren't the Executor and the Lusankya built at the same time?

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-08 07:54pm

Lazy Raptor wrote:Weren't the Executor and the Lusankya built at the same time?

Ya they were. The Executor was built at Fondor and the Lusankya was built at KDY.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-08 07:55pm

HIMS Executor was christened sometime earlier. HIMS Executor was constructed at the Fondor Yards between the Battles of Yavin and Endor. Simultaneously, another Executor-class command ship was under construction at Kuat Drive Yards, which was also designated in the registry as HIMS Executor, but was secretly rechristened HIMS Lusankya, and was ferreted away to Imperial Centre, where it was somehow buried.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-08 07:57pm

HIMS?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-01-08 07:58pm

Techno_Union wrote:HIMS?

His
Imperial
Majesty
Ship

Much like the British acronym of HMS.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-08 08:04pm

ah, thanks

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-11 03:41pm

IN the NEGVV, does it seem that the weapons stats are a little low?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-01-11 03:46pm

Techno_Union wrote:IN the NEGVV, does it seem that the weapons stats are a little low?

In a word, yes.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-11 03:52pm

Ghost Rider wrote:
Techno_Union wrote:HIMS?
His
Imperial
Majesty
Ship

Much like the British acronym of HMS.

"His Imperial Majesty's Ship." Note that "the" doesn't procede when using this (thanks, Publius).

The old Republic would be GRS, or "Galactic Republic Ship" ("the" works with that), "New Republic Ship" would be NRS, and "Galactic Federation of Free Alliances" would have a "Galactic Federation Ship" or GFS.

Presumably the Sith Empire may have used "His Dark Lordship's Ship"--HDLS? A guess, admittably. They may not have used the prefixes--the Soviet Union did.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-01-11 03:55pm

Techno_Union wrote:IN the NEGVV, does it seem that the weapons stats are a little low?

I've come up for an in universe rationalization for it:

It is a civillian handbook guide. Thus things that get messed up like acceleration and hyperdrive speed get put down to disinformation (Akin to how the US Navy website says a carrier can only go 30 knots), author bias (the comment on the TIE Defender), and poor research (the Nebula/Defender mixup and confusing single weapons with weapons banks). It explains the shying away from capital ships in favor of fighters, transports, and speeders (more information about what the customer is likely to buy and encounter)

Thus it fits.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2004-01-11 05:25pm

SPOOFE wrote:
Unless you're talking about orders of magnitude in which case we could supposse it is 2/3rds of the orders of magntiude less powerful (in other words if the DS1 SL was 1e33J then the ESSD one would be 1e22J)
Dude, that's eleven orders of magnitude you just suggested. What fucked-up math are you using?

Divide 33 by 3 then multiply by 2. That would mean 2/3rds or the orders of magnitude. Did you miss the point I was saying? Not 1e33*2/3 but rather 1e(33*2/3) get it now?

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2004-01-11 05:27pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
CmdrWilkens wrote:Whenever possible all evidence should be saved. No matter what our opinion of the evidence it still outranks what we think. Data always trumps what we think. In other words unless there is absolutely no way to reconcile the 2/3rds statement then we have to accept it.
Either it contradicts canon visuals or we fit it in, my way is the only way to fit it in, that I have discovered anyway.
And it does make for a fucking powerfull superlaser.

I've already shown how (with the 2/3rds addressing orders of manitude rather than the raw number) it can be accepted into the totality of information. In other wrods yours is not the only solution and it doesn't even neccessarily present itself as the best solution.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-11 05:40pm

Even on the logarithmic scale you suggest it'd still more than "sear continents" and "crack the crust."

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2004-01-11 06:38pm

To a certain extent, apparant technological advancement in SW can be attributed to higher budgets applied to cetain task. As a direct example, the TIE Defender is usually regarded as the best fighter in SW(especially in anything close to the movie era) it is also universally regarded as one of the most expensive. Tie fighters are designed to be used in massive numbers, so individually, they are crap. Droid Starfighters are designed to be used in even larger numbers, therefore, they are even worse crap. Rebel Alliance fighters have limited support, pilot base, and construction facilities, therefore each of them has as much crammed into it as possible.

However, orders of magnitude are a bit difficult to explain away. Since there are already blatant errors in the source information for the Eclipse, it is much more rational to scale the figures to fit in with known statistics, rather than assume that six ships in the history of the SW galaxy were gifted with this weapon, and no one else was ever able or willing to do the same.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-11 06:40pm

Quite simply the 1e10-11 range is the most sensible: the logarithmic scale doesn't work, it'd still vape the planet.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2004-01-11 06:52pm

CmdrWilkens wrote:I've already shown how (with the 2/3rds addressing orders of manitude rather than the raw number) it can be accepted into the totality of information. In other wrods yours is not the only solution and it doesn't even neccessarily present itself as the best solution.

Your solution does not work that well though, canon visuals show the strenght of planetary shields(alderaan).

2/3rds of 38(I assume you where only illustrating an example when you said the DS1-SL was only 1e33j) is 25, 1e25j would not be able to punch through a planetary shield, do you seriously think a planetary shield is no stronger? Thats only 16 times stronger than the shields of a coreship for comparison.

Also, Saxton said an ISD might be able to put out 1e24j in a broadside, if this figure holds up then ten or eleven ISD's should be able to take down a planetary shield, or a few ISD's and an SSD, such as the Death Squadron, however even their combined firepower was not enough to take down the far smaller shield protecting Echo base at Hoth.

Nah, I much prefer the theory I suggested later on this thread, and coupling that with Ender's ideas regarding a powersource:

Suppose we argue that the Eclipse superlaser itself can fire a beam 2/3rds that of the original superlaser, but, this says only what the superlaser would be capable of, it doesn't say anything about the ship that powers it, that would make the apparently contradictory quotes fit.
Due to advances in superlaser tech it means that something as small as the Eclipse SL can channel 2/3rds the energy of the vastly larger Death Star SL, assuming it could be fed enough power.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-01-11 07:05pm

HDS, remember that that 1E25 is hitting a very small area in a fraction of a second. That quite a bit different from your multiple ISD comparison.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-11 07:34pm

Well, if you take the quote loosely and take it to mean "2/3s of the power to destroy a planet" and take the 5e16 MT figure as the absolute minimum energy to overcome the gravitational binding force, and take 2/3 on the logarithmic scale you get to approximately 2.32e11 MT which is about twice the power of the 1e11 MT figure estimated by Wong.

It can be preserved if one measures in MT, 2/3s on the logarithmic scale, and its taken to mean "two-thirds of the minimum energy for Death Star's mission is the maximum energy the Eclipse can put into a target planet after shield loss."

Anyone have good figures on shield strength?

EDIT:

The Dark Empire Sourcebook, Chapter Six: Starships wrote:The most important advancement in the Eclipse is its main weapon, a spine-mounted superlaser modeled on the main weapon of the Death Star itself. The Death Star's prime weapon was composed of eight individual lasers that could focus together, generating enough power to destroy an entire planet. By comparison, the Eclipse carries only a single laser, but recent focussing and generator advances make this ray much more powerful than the units used on the Death Star. The beam packs enough destructive power to shatter the most powerful planetary shields and sear whole continents in a flash.

The Dark Empire Sourcebook, Chapter Nine: Equipment wrote:The superlaser, main weapon of the Death Star and the Imperial flagship Eclipse, takes another tack. Instead of weakening a shield, the superlaser is able to pierce through it by using a coupled neutrino charge. This neutrino charge not only plunges through the shield, but it penetrates the mantle and lower levels of the planet. Great chunks of the crust can be vaporized, sometimes sending the surface exploding outward with enough force to shatter the world.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2004-01-12 01:11am

HDS please note that the 1e33J number was an example which allows for my point to be made readily because the relationship between 33 and 22 is rather easier to see intuitively than between 42 and 28. In other words I beleive that if the DS1 SL is taken to be roughly 1e42J (which I think fits) my 2/3rds theory would make the Eclipse SL 1e28J. Now after one accounts for the strength of planetary shielding I think sear crusts is a viable end result of this.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-14 05:50pm

How long would it take the Eclipse to charge up the superlaser at maximum?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-14 05:57pm

Capacitors probably fix the problem. They're listed dealing with superlasers before, and explain why the Death Star was a superior siege engine to the Eclipse and why they just didn't build Eclipses.

Its more easily assailed and has to charge in orbit all day long or more just to punch through the shield.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-16 08:43pm

Question, this may sound weird but, how many Acclamators could you fit in the bays of the Eclipse? Lets just say that they are able to carry them.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-01-16 08:58pm

Techno_Union wrote:Question, this may sound weird but, how many Acclamators could you fit in the bays of the Eclipse? Lets just say that they are able to carry them.

Eh?

A couple could fit (remember, the Eclipse isn't a carrier by any means, it has very few bays relative to it's size), but they wouldn't get inside in the first place, as the enterances are too small.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-16 09:17pm

You know, I just thought about my previous post and it really was stupid. I was just not thinking about the size of the Acclamators compared to the bays.

oops, I do not know what got over me.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-01-17 02:55pm

Techno_Union wrote:How long would it take the Eclipse to charge up the superlaser at maximum?

A day if my recollection from the DES is right