Most Destructive Conflict in Star Wars

[Luzifer's right hand]

Actually they detonated a star to go Supernova.

And it didn't last a millenia

And that war lasted 3 years.

A real Supernova or a normal SF-instant boom supernova?

[Ghost Rider]

Actually they detonated a star to go Supernova.

And it didn't last a millenia

And that war lasted 3 years.

A real Supernova or a normal SF-instant boom supernova?

Sci-fi insta boom

[Haze Gray]

Sci-fi insta boom

That explains that then, doesn't it?

[technomage]

There have been two "Sith Wars", as well as other wars between the Jedi and the Sith in which the Republic as a whole was also involved.

The Great Hyperspace War: 5000 yrs. (approx) before ANH
The first major showdown of the Jedi Knights and Sith Lords. Republic explorers cam upon the Sith Empire while fleeing from creditors in the Koros System. Marka Ragnos, previous Dark Lord of the Sith had just died and two other Sith Lords, Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh are about to fight it out for the throne. To make a long story short, Sadow seizes power by playing the Republic up as a threat, and attacks the Republic first, ostensibly on the principle that the best defense is a good offense.

Ultimately, the Sith lose the war, the Empire is destroyed, and Sadow spends the rest of his life in exile on Yavin 4.

The First Sith War: 4000 yrs before ANH
This is the one that most people think of when they hear "Sith War." In a nutshell, the fallen Jedi Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma attempt to refound the Sith Empire and destroy the Republic. You can only guess how close they actually came from the comics.

Second Sith War: 2000-1000 yrs before ANH.
For all that it hasn't been given much attention (yet) in the EU, this one has to have been far worse than either of the previous wars, and may have been worse than the Galactic Civil War. A full millennium of war between the Jedi and the Sith, ultimately resulting in the systems that exist at the time of TPM: a Jedi Order that is strictly disciplined and regimented, an instrument of the state, and a Sith order that limits itself to only two members at a time so as to avoid the notice of the Jedi.

This is the war of Lord Hoth's Army of Light, and of Darth Bane, and the war that created the Valley of the Jedi.


There was also the ancient war of at least 10,000 years before ANH, i which the Jedi first drove out those among their number who had fallen into Darkness, but there's almost nothing on that one that I'm aware of. The exiles of that war were the founders of the Sith Empire.

Do I even need to mention the Galactic Civil War?

[Kurgan]

My theory is that the Clone wars lead right into the Galactic Civil War, much in the way that World War I lead into World War II, if not them flat out being the "same war" with a new name/focus.

This may be contradicted when Episode III comes out, but that's what I'm guessing for now. ; )

[Praxis]

Bullshit. We never see millions-scale sacrifice, and huge numbers managed to get aloft and into refugees. And the slaves, while oppressed, and in terrible conditions, hardly all died.

I said those that weren't enslaved were sacrificed...you're exaggurating my own words.

And each Yuuzhan Vong garrison had their own sacrifices...remember the pits referred to on Dantooine with hundreds of thousands of people? If the Vong made sacrifices on each world they controlled, it would easily amount to millions of people.

Did you forget that
1) The coral implanets eventually killed the slaves
2) The Vong would kill their prisoners before allowing them to be captured, with the exception of when a main character was trying to save them
3) The slavedrivers killed slaves for fun?

And besides, the worlds you saw siezed were only the most important worlds; look at the couple dozen worlds spattered over the YVI invasion zone. There should be dozens of millions of worlds which are inhabited in that swathe. The Yuuzhan physically lacked the ships and personnel to enslave or even station troops at half those planets.

Well, sure, they only hit the populated planets, but populated in the core = billions of people. Earth would be considered a LARGE COLONY compared to some of the planets in the core worlds that the Vong exterminated/enslaved.

They must've glided across the galaxy, splitting the splintered states and alliances by severing key ports, supply lines, and industrial and mining centers. Hitting key population centers and crashing the web of galactic civilization in those areas, certainly making life crap, but there's no way the YV could've literally killed even a significant number of the people across that area.

Even if you consider the population centers usually have billions upon billions of people? When you consider that they considered everyone infidels and would take the time just to smash their technology?

Remember Barab I? The Vong came, filled a large ship with prisoners, then WIPED OUT THE PLANET when they were done. When Saba arrived, the planet was utterly wiped out.

[Praxis]

The Galactic Civil War, hands down.

The Vong couldn't even begin to compare to it. Planets blown to asteroids, planets disintegrated, planets blockaded and starved to death, planets wiped out by biological warfare, planets reduced to oceans of molten lava.

You're being ridiculous...only one planet, Alderaan, was blown to asteroids. The only planets disintegrated were military targets when Kyp Durron nuked Carida's sun and a couple other systems. Planets starved to death, not as many as the Vong...planets wiped out by biological warfare, actually not that many, since the Empire would rather take them intact...planets reduced to oceans of molten lava? I never heard of a Base Delta Zero taking place in the Civil War, with the exception of Caamas, long before the war.

Planets laid waste by surface warfare, space battles that routinely killed hundreds of thousands of people.

Once the Emperor died at Endor and the warlords started going for each others' throats, all hell was loose for high noon, and it went on for more than a decade.

Oh sure, the warlords killed each other. The big thing is, MOST of the people killed in the civil war were military targets. Sure, a few planets were exterminated, but not that many compared to the size of the galaxy. The billions that died were warship commanders.

On the other hand, the Vong made it a religious matter to exterminate civilians. They TARGETTED civilians and were far ruthless.

In the case of the Empire, civilians were simply ignored. If they died, they died, if they didn't, lucky them. Once in a while they could make useful hostages.

The Vong regarded civilians as infidels to be slaughtered or enslaved. Big casualty difference there.

[PainRack]

I said those that weren't enslaved were sacrificed...you're exaggurating my own words.

And each Yuuzhan Vong garrison had their own sacrifices...remember the pits referred to on Dantooine with hundreds of thousands of people? If the Vong made sacrifices on each world they controlled, it would easily amount to millions of people.

We learn that not every planet had scarifices, and since scarifices only run up to thousands of people,indeed, the scarifice of hundreds of thousand of people was the largest we ever saw, that's not much.

Especially considering Imperial massacres numbered up to millions at any one time. Death plague anyone?

Did you forget that
1) The coral implanets eventually killed the slaves
2) The Vong would kill their prisoners before allowing them to be captured, with the exception of when a main character was trying to save them
3) The slavedrivers killed slaves for fun?

And this differs to Imperial slavery of races like the Rodian, wookies, how?

Well, sure, they only hit the populated planets, but populated in the core = billions of people. Earth would be considered a LARGE COLONY compared to some of the planets in the core worlds that the Vong exterminated/enslaved.

And you assume that the Empire didn't do this? Coruscant was smashed.

Even if you consider the population centers usually have billions upon billions of people? When you consider that they considered everyone infidels and would take the time just to smash their technology?

Remember Barab I? The Vong came, filled a large ship with prisoners, then WIPED OUT THE PLANET when they were done. When Saba arrived, the planet was utterly wiped out.

Comparable to what the Empire did to the Qwi and any other number of races and planets. As punishment, the Empire removed the oceans of an entire planet, destroying the system entire ecosystem. Entire species were rounded up on worldcraft and sent to exile in space.

You're being ridiculous...only one planet, Alderaan, was blown to asteroids. The only planets disintegrated were military targets when Kyp Durron nuked Carida's sun and a couple other systems. Planets starved to death, not as many as the Vong...planets wiped out by biological warfare, actually not that many, since the Empire would rather take them intact...planets reduced to oceans of molten lava? I never heard of a Base Delta Zero taking place in the Civil War, with the exception of Caamas, long before the war.

You assume that military targets equals to lesser casualties? Do shipyards not contain civilians? Imperial bombardments also equals to loss of civilian life. Mon Calamari was a military target, yet, her civilians also suffered under World Devastator attacks./

Oh sure, the warlords killed each other. The big thing is, MOST of the people killed in the civil war were military targets. Sure, a few planets were exterminated, but not that many compared to the size of the galaxy. The billions that died were warship commanders.

On the other hand, the Vong made it a religious matter to exterminate civilians. They TARGETTED civilians and were far ruthless.

They targeted civilians, but they didn't kill as many as the Empire did, period. The Empire had a millions ship navy, reduced to equivalent of 3-5 sector fleets. Their mode of warfare was as destructive to civilised worlds as it was to military targets.

In the case of the Empire, civilians were simply ignored. If they died, they died, if they didn't, lucky them. Once in a while they could make useful hostages.

And civilians can die from Imperial blockades of food, random Imperial bombardments or collatoral damage. Rampa I and Rampa II are good examples of this collatoral damage, entire cities wiped out from Imperial military actions.

The Vong regarded civilians as infidels to be slaughtered or enslaved. Big casualty difference there.

And? The Coruscant populace had millions left alive there, hunting patrols were extremely profilic in trying to kill them but they never succeeded totally. On worlds like Garqi, the only actions against the local populace were "slave raids".

[Lex]

I said the war lasted a millenia.. and the shockwave was huge, read the books!

[technomage]

I did read the books (actually comics) in question, Lex. In fact, I have them all.

Golden Age of the Sith
The Fall of the Sith Empire
Knights of the Old Republic
The Freedon Nadd Uprising
Dark Lords of the Sith
The Sith War
Redemption
Dark Empire
Dark Empire II
Empire's End

Yup, the supernovas that created the Cron Drift were pretty damn big, but then that's probably the largest inconsistency in the stories. KJA strikes again. If you even try to claim that Ulic Qel-Droma or Nomi Sunrider lived for a thousand years, you're smoking the loco weed.

The millennium-long Sith War started two thousand years later.

Totally different wars. The second one was what set the stage for the Jedi Order of TPM and AotC.

Go check out the TimeTales Chronology and the Ultimate Timeline at theforce.net if you want to see this stuff laid out for you. They're under "Reference Libraries" on the navigation bar at the left, above the Technical Commentaries.

[Lex]

ok, i was wrong... got things mixed up... But how much did the wave really destroy?