Tie Fighters- Unfairly maligned?

[Rob Wilson]

Makes you wonder what would have happened if Tarkin had launched MOST of the fighters the Death Star carried

What would have happened if he had launched all of them? Between them they should have had enough firepower to raze the Rebel base to the ground and the surrounding 100km around it too! Hardly worth actually firing the Superlaser really.

[Zoink]

Between them they should have had enough firepower to raze the Rebel base to the ground and the surrounding 100km around it too! Hardly worth actually firing the Superlaser really.

Ya, like that would happen. Tarkin has his new "toy", and he's not going to use it? If I had just got a superlaser, I'd be all giddy and use it for everything like: blowing up the moon, laser pointer, removing plague & tartar, disco party lighting, etc...

[Rob Wilson]

Between them they should have had enough firepower to raze the Rebel base to the ground and the surrounding 100km around it too! Hardly worth actually firing the Superlaser really.

Ya, like that would happen. Tarkin has his new "toy", and he's not going to use it? If I had just got a superlaser, I'd be all giddy and use it for everything like: blowing up the moon, laser pointer, removing plague & tartar, disco party lighting, etc...

Laser Pointer? Yes! can you imagine the last Briefing that Tarkin gave to the Senate?

"Now gentlemen, Firstly I must apologise for not being there in person, but hopefully that won't mar proceedings, so to my first point, if you'll just look at the Whiteboard. Commence primary Ignition!"

[CmdrWilkens]

Ya, like that would happen. Tarkin has his new "toy", and he's not going to use it? If I had just got a superlaser, I'd be all giddy and use it for everything like: blowing up the moon, laser pointer, removing plague & tartar, disco party lighting, etc...

Laser Pointer? Yes! can you imagine the last Briefing that Tarkin gave to the Senate?

"Now gentlemen, Firstly I must apologise for not being there in person, but hopefully that won't mar proceedings, so to my first point, if you'll just look at the Whiteboard. Commence primary Ignition!"
:twisted:

I wonder if the main firing panel has a circuit that reads "Do Not aim beam directly at face or eyes as it may cause damage."

[Rob Wilson]

Laser Pointer? Yes! can you imagine the last Briefing that Tarkin gave to the Senate?

"Now gentlemen, Firstly I must apologise for not being there in person, but hopefully that won't mar proceedings, so to my first point, if you'll just look at the Whiteboard. Commence primary Ignition!"

I wonder if the main firing panel has a circuit that reads "Do Not aim beam directly at face or eyes as it may cause damage."

Change "Face or Eyes" to "planet or Ships".

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Not that they can't, it just that they are not fasy enough to track a fighter. And that A-wing was probably not being specifically targeted.

Yes they WERE aiming at the A-Wing at the X-Wing (which was killed) remember "Intensify forward firepower I don't want anything to get through" what you thing 1.5 km Mon Cal cruisers were going to get through?

[Doomriser]

I wonder if the main firing panel has a circuit that reads "Do Not aim beam directly at face or eyes as it may cause damage."

Parental Warning: The Death Star presents a ---Choking hazard--- Keep out of reach from children 2-6

[omegaLancer]

Every one things that Turbo laser cannot target starfighter.. From what i know that this myth originated from the fact that the Essential Guide to ship was talking about the VHTBL that flank the super structure, it also said that even a near miss was enought to destroy a star fighter... The light TBLs are obviously meant as Point defense, as mention in SWICS.. Talk about 3 laterial defense Laser that are show in front of the Super structure...

Seem to me that tie fighters are meant to engage enemy fighters but more in a screening and pursue mode...

[LMSx]

"TIE Fighter" Query-Yaga Minor Ubiquitorate Military Library

Creator: Sienar Systems
Purpose: Capital Support and Strategic Operations

-The TIE Fighter, or Twin Ionic Engine Fighter, was first produced after His Highness the Emperor achieved domination of the Galactic Senate. Custom designed for Victory-Class Star Destroyer support and strategic operations, the TIE fighter was a fast craft with minimal shielding to support the pilot in tactical situations. Given the performance parameters of the time, the TIE Fighter was well suited for operations throughout the galaxy, as the dominant planetary defender Incom model Z-95 Headhunter series was too slow to catch up to Sienar's beauty. Unfortnately, Incom fell into line with the Rebellion to produce an upgraded version.

The X-Wing was a far superior model to the Z-95 Headhunter, and the first model of TIE rapidly appeared to become outdated. Any pilot that lived for the first anniversary of use of the TIE was well decorated. Hence, on the Rebel's attack on the second Death Star, the TIE Interceptor begins to make its appearance, which was faster, more manuverable, and had better horizontal vision then the standard TIE.

Prehaps the greatest tragedy for our Empire was the massive amount of standard TIEs that were produced until the Emperor's death, so once the X-Wing pilots became more skilled; the lack of shielding on a TIE became a major detriment. Over time, it became hard to produce enough Interceptors to replace the standard "eyeballs". Such pilots as Wedge Antillies of Rogue Squadron were well publicized in the Rebel press as having the abilities to shred any oncomers. However, the majority of his exploits came aginst the inferior standard model, and not the Interceptor or later varients.

By the time of the Emperor's resurgance, the TIE Defender makes its appearance. Armed with shields and vastly superior to any X-Wing out there, a squadron of these can shred any group of X-Wings out there. But again, the tragedy is not the excess of inferior models, but the prohibitively high cost. They are issued to the best pilots to ensure a lower turnover rate, but come too late to save the Navy from the infighting of the Imperial Councili

Prehaps with the Yuuzhan Vong, the Defender can make it's mark well felt as a fighter to be feared for the Imperial Navy. Looking past the invasion, the Rebels continue to use the X-Wing as the major part of their armed forces, eschewing faster, more versatile varients such as the A-Wing or the B-Wing. Prehaps with the Defender type, the Navy can dominate the galaxy as it did for a generation past.

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[CmdrWilkens]

Laser Pointer? Yes! can you imagine the last Briefing that Tarkin gave to the Senate?

"Now gentlemen, Firstly I must apologise for not being there in person, but hopefully that won't mar proceedings, so to my first point, if you'll just look at the Whiteboard. Commence primary Ignition!"
:twisted:

I wonder if the main firing panel has a circuit that reads "Do Not aim beam directly at face or eyes as it may cause damage."

Change "Face or Eyes" to "planet or Ships".
:twisted:

I like face or eyes better, it gives me happy thoughts of Transcend sticking his face in front of the muzzle screaming "I am the God-Emperor no warning label will tell ME what not to do."

[Ace Pace]

TIEs are unfairly maligned. A TIE Fighter costs 40,000-60,000 credits to produce whereas an X-Wing costs at least 100,000. The EU tech literature consistently describes TIEs as being omnipresent symbols of Imperial power, on every little ship and outpost throughout the galaxy. They make up their shortcomings in quality with advantages in quantity. They are everywhere, able to engage all foes in any area. TIE pilots are trained to work together, using their superior numbers to devastate foes. TIEs are modular and have the same or similar cockpits, making it easier for pilots to learn new TIE fighter subtypes whereas most of the Rebel alphabet-wing fighters have completely different cockpits. The only sad part is that the Empire did not complete its plan to replace TIE Fighters with the somewhat more expensive TIE Interceptors. If this had been done, the dominance of TIE Fighters would have been harder to challenge.

we learn from the Wirth Squadron sieries, that Tie pilots are mad, and enraged, inducing domestic voilence and squadron problems in battle.

[Mr Bean]

*Its Wraith but I won't say anything cause I spell just as bad

And that sounds about right for SW Imperial indtorination

[Doomriser]

Who wrote the Wraith squadron series? Stackpole?

[Mr Bean]

According to the book in my hand Aaron Aliston

[Sith God]

i do believe that tie fighters are somewhat superior to the rebel fighters. Ties had no problem destroying rebel fighters even though the rebels have shields or at least thats what we are told. There is no way a rebel fighter would be able to stand up against the firepower of ten laser cannons of a tie interceptor.

[Cpt_Frank]

If I remember right, the TIE/In had the two chin mounted canons, four canons on the wingtips and four between the wing tips.
10 laser canons seems a little bit too much.
Perhaps 2 or 4 are ion canons?

[Mr Bean]

Acutal according to all Games(Which are Semni-cannon) and the manuals the Interceptor mounts Four, Two on the cut in the wing(2x wings) (Observer the emtpy space in the wing not only helps for extra vision but acutal houses the weapons)

The Intercetor has no chin mounted but rather wing mounted Guns and carries no Ion cannons

[Sith God]

put aside the eu game stuff for a moment. the f-4 at one time only fired missiles and its guns were removed as well as the hard points for the guns, why would the tie int keep the mounts if they were not going to be used?

[Mr Bean]

The space was used for the increased engine speed and upraded equpment the Hard points WERE removed in the Interceptor line(Its dumb putting the generators all in one place to begin with it made the Interceptor harder to kill)

[Sith God]

they stiff only have two engines i go with the 10 laser cannon thing sure remove the chin mounts and go with 8 but why not keep them and make this fighter a killer

[Mr Bean]

Err acutal the other 4 he's refering to are Visbility Lights not laser hardpoints

Sure you COULD toss eight on there but you'd be loosing manvablity

I mean I say it this way
Why not just have thirty?
Because for each you add, you loose somthing
4 is the perfect number they came up with
(IMO Advanceds and Defenders had 6 + Ion cannos in the same sized area and they where faster, shileded and had hypdrive)
March of Tecnology

[Sith God]

this is my thing try to go with me ok, i hate the eu. Everything about it. We never see tie defenders tie advanced fighters or anything like that the only new thing is the tie interceptor. Its four main cannons four lesser cannons and chin cannons. if all the guns on the wings are lesser and the main guns are the chin and the engines better than the original ties then you sacrifice nothing, but i cant subscribe to the eu's view on anything sorry i refuse to do that

[Cpt_Frank]

I don't hate the EU. I like many of it's creations (VicStars, Interdictors, Thrawn, and TIE Defenders).
But nonetheless I'd go with the 10 canon (or 8 canon) model here.
It is a possibility that if you're using all 10/8 canons at once, this may affect your speed/maneuverability.
This fighter will still be a killer.
In my opinion, it is terribly underestimated, and has better performance than any of the rebel's alphabet fighters.

[Mr Bean]

Lemme say this a little slow Frank
THOSE GUNS GOTTA GO SOMEWHERE

The other 4 points he was refering to where LIGHTS on the wingtips not guns

You can't fit eight guns in there at least without destroying its ability to fly in the atmoshpere and wreaking its manvrabitly

[David]

The tie interceptor just has four on the wings, no more.