SW Attitudes towards Autism/Asperger's Syndrome

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-08-02 12:29pm

Dakarne wrote:
I never fucking said you should be cured or not, and frankly I don't fucking care.
You shouldn't fucking swear, and why are you still going on about it then.

What a witty rebuttal. Do go on....

Actually... in MY SPECIFIC CASE OF ASPERGER'S SYNDROME.... (which will now be referred to as MSCOAS) I have a lesser version which makes me able to adapt to a social situation... (I don't get too uncomfortable around crowds anymore, unless it's loud)

Nice to see you still pretend you know more than people who have spent their careers studying the subject, have published articles on the subject, and have earned degrees in said subject.

I'm not mentally disabled... (which implies Mental Retardation by the words alone)

How the fuck does it imply retardation, which is not the same thing?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-08-02 12:32pm

Mentally disabled only signifies that someone has a mental disability, but it does NOT automatically imply being retarded. As I said before, I have ADHD, and I fully accept that it means I am mentally disabled.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-02 12:45pm

In that case, I fit the description of Disability then...

I usually associate Disability with Inability, and impairment.

I'm not "Impaired" then, okay.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-08-02 12:51pm

Dakarne wrote:In that case, I fit the description of Disability then...

I usually associate Disability with Inability, and impairment.

I'm not "Impaired" then, okay.

The doctors who diagnosed you with a mental disorder would disagree, I imagine.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-02 01:31pm

The doctors who diagnosed you with a mental disorder would disagree, I imagine.

Actually.. they diagnosed me with several things before settling on Asperger's

Dyspraxia
Dylexia (don't know where this one came from, I read perfectly, and my spelnig is great)
And several others across time.

Basically because of three things:

I was overly naive (fixed now)
I was particularly crap at physical activity (if only it were fixed now)
And my thought processes worked differently (Does that need to be fixed, it's my choice how I think.)
And of course, I had compulsive fidgeting (which I still have, and is listed under, "Quirks")

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2005-08-02 01:38pm

Dakarne wrote: Dylexia (don't know where this one came from, I read perfectly, and my spelnig is great)

Was that some kind of joke or just Exquisite irony?

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-02 01:41pm

Was that some kind of joke or just Exquisite irony?

Some kind of joke, It's normal for me to use Ironic statements, especially in writing.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-08-02 01:45pm

Dakarne wrote:Actually.. they diagnosed me with several things before settling on Asperger's

And this is disproof of their medical opinion how?

I was overly naive (fixed now)

I doubt that.

And my thought processes worked differently (Does that need to be fixed, it's my choice how I think.)

Until you're a legal adult, that's up to your parents. Afterward, I don't see why this is an issue unless it becomes a problem for others.

And of course, I had compulsive fidgeting (which I still have, and is listed under, "Quirks")

So because you arbitrarily refer to it as a "quirk" means that you no longer "suffer" from Asperger's?

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-02 01:53pm

And this is disproof of their medical opinion how?

It took them about Ten years to settle on Asperger's

so... disproof is sort of the case here

I doubt that.

Really...

Try going to Witton Park Secondary School for a few years, you go from Naive to Paranoid... trust me

Until you're a legal adult, that's up to your parents. Afterward, I don't see why this is an issue unless it becomes a problem for others.

Asperger's Syndrome is usually not a problem for others... if I were a threat to society I'd be in a "Specialist" school/college.

So because you arbitrarily refer to it as a "quirk" means that you no longer "suffer" from Asperger's?

I don't think I suffered beforehand either... so why would I now?

the Only Suffering I had was bullying because I was different, and that wasn't technically Asperger's, it was that my interests didn't involve Soccer, the WWE or Coronation Street.

But that was years ago, I left Witton Park Secondary School, and I'm now in college doing a Computer Course.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-08-02 02:24pm

Dakarne wrote:
And this is disproof of their medical opinion how?
It took them about Ten years to settle on Asperger's

so... disproof is sort of the case here

Bullshit. The length of time they needed to reach the conclusion they did is irrelevant. It obviously took them some time to pin down a firm diagnosis.

I doubt that.
Really...

Try going to Witton Park Secondary School for a few years, you go from Naive to Paranoid... trust me

How does this statement prove you're no longer a naive person?

Asperger's Syndrome is usually not a problem for others... if I were a threat to society I'd be in a "Specialist" school/college.

I said unless, dummy.

So because you arbitrarily refer to it as a "quirk" means that you no longer "suffer" from Asperger's?

I don't think I suffered beforehand either... so why would I now?[/quote]

Your opinion doesn't count.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-02 02:30pm

Bullshit. The length of time they needed to reach the conclusion they did is irrelevant. It obviously took them some time to pin down a firm diagnosis.

Maybe...

It wasn't clear to be fair... I don't have as many serious aspects as other people.

How does this statement prove you're no longer a naive person?

And why do you doubt that I am, beforehand I was trusting, too much so, and now I don't trust people until I really get to know them, and even then, it's etchy sometimes.

I said unless, dummy.

How mature an insult... the likelyhood of any "Threat to those around them" cases is practically nil.

Your opinion doesn't count.

Who's better to know whether I'm suffering or not... you, who could be on the other side of the planet for all I know, or me, who actually has Asperger's.

Tiger Ace · Post by **Tiger Ace** » 2005-08-02 02:33pm

Darkane, regardless of the debate, look up board rules, insults do not retract from an argument, if you don't like them, don't use them, but don't act like they detract from Firefox's smackdown.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-02 02:37pm

Darkane, regardless of the debate, look up board rules, insults do not retract from an argument, if you don't like them, don't use them, but don't act like they detract from Firefox's smackdown.

Actually, I was saying that the word of choice was immature, not the fact that he insulted me. ahem, "Dummy"

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-08-02 03:49pm

Dakarne wrote:
Darkane, regardless of the debate, look up board rules, insults do not retract from an argument, if you don't like them, don't use them, but don't act like they detract from Firefox's smackdown.
Actually, I was saying that the word of choice was immature, not the fact that he insulted me. ahem, "Dummy"

Learn to read before pulling a red herring out of your ass, idiot.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-08-02 03:51pm

Dakarne wrote:
How does this statement prove you're no longer a naive person?
And why do you doubt that I am, beforehand I was trusting, too much so, and now I don't trust people until I really get to know them, and even then, it's etchy sometimes.

I doubt you're no longer naive because I was the same fucking way at 17 years of age, and in some cases I still am. Don't betray arrogance by claiming to be bigger than your britches.

Your opinion doesn't count.
Who's better to know whether I'm suffering or not... you, who could be on the other side of the planet for all I know, or me, who actually has Asperger's.

In a case pertaining to mental illness, I'll trust the doctor's word over that of the patient, thanks.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-02 04:04pm

In a case pertaining to mental illness, I'll trust the doctor's word over that of the patient, thanks.

If I were truly mentally ill to the point where I didn't know whether or not I was suffering... don't you think I'd be in some kind of institution?

I'm no longer going to debate this as it is clear that you have little grasp of what Asperger's Syndrome actually is... when you actually find out, and not through a quick google search, let me know.

And I think you should know, the last time I recieved anything close to "treatment" was about five years ago.

Duckie · Post by **Duckie** » 2005-08-02 04:50pm

Not to play Mod, but shouldn't this be split and/or merged into Dakarne's "Curing Aspergers" thread in SLAM (ignoring the fact the threads are nearly duplicates minus the Star Wars flavour)? There's definately no more Star Wars here.

Dakarne wrote: If I were truly mentally ill to the point where I didn't know whether or not I was suffering... don't you think I'd be in some kind of institution?

Nonsense. People can't diagnose their own medical problems, on the whole. It's also why people have trouble admitting their failures- because you KNOW that you are the average person and there's nothing wrong with you. [Not that there's anything dreadfully wrong in particular with Aspergers, mind you.]

Dakarne wrote: I'm no longer going to debate this as it is clear that you have little grasp of what Asperger's Syndrome actually is... when you actually find out, and not through a quick google search, let me know.

Of course, because every Doctor, Support Group, Medical Dictionary, and Hospital in agreement that Asperger's Syndrome is a mental disorder are completely off base because you think you're okay.

You can understand my skepticism, but I eagerly await your sweeping revolution in science that redefines Medical Science as we know it.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-02 05:07pm

Of course, because every Doctor, Support Group, Medical Dictionary, and Hospital in agreement that Asperger's Syndrome is a mental disorder are completely off base because you think you're okay.

Ahem... Hospitals only treat Asperger's Patients, when said patient is suffering from injury or a REAL illness. It's mainly "Support Groups" who use group therapy.... and I've only ever been to one or two.

Also... it may or may not have occured to you... but a lot of Aspergians have one little tiny itty bitty infintesmally small thing... Above Average or Genius Intelligence.

My IQ was last listed at 140+... about two years ago.

Shove that in your pipe and smoke it.

Tiger Ace · Post by **Tiger Ace** » 2005-08-02 05:13pm

And IQ measures what again? oh right...POTENTIAL, which means unless you apply it your worth jackshit, and you know what? Your not exactly proving your potential here.

Lots of people here can shove 140+ IQ's up your ass, and none of them brag about it.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-02 05:15pm

Lots of people here can shove 140+ IQ's up your ass, and none of them brag about it.

I was using it as an example... it's quite common for someone with Asperger's to display that kind of Potential...

Tiger Ace · Post by **Tiger Ace** » 2005-08-02 05:16pm

Which again, is potential, and none of it matters if the person can't realise that IQ, put it to use and get the world to notice.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-02 05:19pm

Which again, is potential, and none of it matters if the person can't realise that IQ, put it to use and get the world to notice.

One Word:

Einstein.

Tiger Ace · Post by **Tiger Ace** » 2005-08-02 05:19pm

Good, you provided one example, relevent how to the vast mass of people with Asperger's Syndrome who are NOT world famous?

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-02 05:24pm

Good, you provided one example, relevent how to the vast mass of people with Asperger's Syndrome who are NOT world famous?

Do you need to be world famous to be successful?

If so:

Andy Warhol
Andy Kaufman
Craig Nicholls
Rainer Werner Fassbinder
Glenn Gould
Gary Numan
Erik Satie
Nikola Tesla
Albert Einstein
Isaac Newton
Friedrich Nietzsche
Theodore Kaczynski
William James Sidis
Bobby Fischer
Steven Spielberg
Bill Gates

genkkov · Post by **genkkov** » 2005-08-02 05:27pm

hehe, sorry about that, haven't read the novel. Just something I was left wondering about as I was leaving the movie, everyone was so suprised when two babies popped out.
If we wanted to get this thread to a topic that was somewhat star wars, how exactly is Bacta supposed to work. I've looked up a few things, but none of it really seems to make a great deal of sense to me. Has there been a thread on this?