Star Wars: Rebels

[bilateralrope]

Unless the stakes are high enough and the Jedi are the only ones who can get it done. We are talking the Death Star here, so I trust that nobody will claim that the stakes aren't high enough for the Rebellion to throw everything they have at stopping it.

[Lord Revan]

I said it's possible however it would need some serious build up to feel "correct" from a narative stand point and not just a cheap stunt to maintain the canon.

One possiblity it is that the mission they went on wasn't meant as a suicide mission but due "reasons" the Empire found out about it and now all our heroes can do is buy time to get the DS plans to the rebels in time. kind of Mirror the end of Season 1

[cmdrjones]

Glad to hear some more of The Clone Wars will be released.

The Clone Wars is like Jason Voorhees. Even after you kill it, it comes back to do more damage.

Viola!!! I knew it!

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads ... en.236665/

[RogueIce]

If Ahsoka dies within the OT timeframe, it'll be to Vader's blade. There's no other way, for me at least. It has to be him.

[The Romulan Republic]

Well, at least if Ashoka died fighting Vader it wouldn't be a cheap death. Vader's about the most formidable opponent she could have barring Palpatine.

Plus the history between them would make any confrontation interesting.

Killing his former apprentice would definitely be one of Vader's nastier moments, however (albeit not quite comparable to slaughtering children).

[Zixinus]

I find it amusing that people keep saying that the whole dramatic stake of the prequels (and everything they do in that timeframe) is pointless because it ends only in tragedy (Vader kills all the Jedi) but that somehow Rebels isn't. If we are to take Yoda's line about Luke being the last Jedi literary (and we should as Yoda knows about Ezra and Kanan by actually speaking with them) as well as Asoka, we know that they will die. Most likely killed by Vader. Their fate is somehow open but everything that happens during the Clone Wars somehow isn't.

[Galvatron]

Indeed.

A Jedi is not an asset you just throw away.

I didn't mean to imply that the rebels would just casually send Jedi to their deaths. The mission would have to be pretty damn important and also damn near impossible for it to justify sending their best assets get it done.

And I don't think Ahsoka necessarily has to die by Vader's blade. Instead, I can imagine her holding the line at some hangar bay choke point against hordes of stormtroopers so her teammates could board their ship and escape. I can also imagine Vader silently watching it all happen from a distance and not interfering, which would leave the audience to wonder what thoughts he had and what emotions he felt as he witnessed his former apprentice (and one of the only people from his past who never betrayed him) bravely sacrifice herself for her friends and her cause.

Yeah, I think I'd prefer something like that over yet another trite lightsabre duel.

[Rogue 9]

Indeed.

A Jedi is not an asset you just throw away.

I didn't mean to imply that the rebels would just casually send Jedi to their deaths. The mission would have to be pretty damn important and also damn near impossible for it to justify sending their best assets get it done.

And I don't think Ahsoka necessarily has to die by Vader's blade. Instead, I can imagine her holding the line at some hangar bay choke point against hordes of stormtroopers so her teammates could board their ship and escape. I can also imagine Vader silently watching it all happen from a distance and not interfering, which would leave the audience to wonder what thoughts he had and what emotions he felt as he witnessed his former apprentice (and one of the only people from his past who never betrayed him) bravely sacrifice herself for her friends and her cause.

Yeah, I think I'd prefer something like that over yet another trite lightsabre duel.

That would require some level of competence from the stormtroopers, something that so far the show's authors have not only been unwilling to show, but actually believe is not possible; I believe it was Dave Filoni who said in an interview that Obi-Wan was mistaken, stormtroopers are not so precise, he was just remembering the clone troopers, and the OT actually shows them being terrible soldiers, despite the fact that every time they fail it's because they were ordered to keep a high-value target alive.

[Galvatron]

Hey, even hordes of battledroids can be threatening if there are enough of them, although I do agree with you that stormtroopers are given a bad rap for no good reason. Frankly, I thought the opening scenes in ANH were meant to showcase how easily stormtroopers can steamroll typical rebels.

[Rogue 9]

Well, the Season 2 trailer gives the distinct impression that they intend to show AT-AT gunners unable to hit a slow-moving Clone Wars era walker at close range with the clone crew openly mocking them about it, so I doubt it's going to get much better on that front.

[The Romulan Republic]

Hey, even hordes of battledroids can be threatening if there are enough of them, although I do agree with you that stormtroopers are given a bad rap for no good reason. Frankly, I thought the opening scenes in ANH were meant to showcase how easily stormtroopers can steamroll typical rebels.

I think their are two main failures that cause stormtroopers to have a bad reputation. The first one is their repeated failure to take out any of the main heroes despite huge odds in their favour (the closest they came was a minor injury Leia suffered in Return of the Jedi and capturing her when she was on her own against them in A New Hope). This is, of course, an inevitable consequence of them frequently going up against elite fighters who must survive. The other reason is their defeat on Endor to the primitive and much-reviled Ewoks, though I think that people should keep in mind that the stormtroopers were ambushed and the Ewoks had help from Rebel troops.

[Galvatron]

Well, the Season 2 trailer gives the distinct impression that they intend to show AT-AT gunners unable to hit a slow-moving Clone Wars era walker at close range with the clone crew openly mocking them about it, so I doubt it's going to get much better on that front.

That's fucking absurd given the marksmanship of the AT-AT gunners on Hoth who were able to shoot fast-moving T-47s out of the sky.

I think their are two main failures that cause stormtroopers to have a bad reputation. The first one is their repeated failure to take out any of the main heroes despite huge odds in their favour (the closest they came was a minor injury Leia suffered in Return of the Jedi and capturing her when she was on her own against them in A New Hope). This is, of course, an inevitable consequence of them frequently going up against elite fighters who must survive. The other reason is their defeat on Endor to the primitive and much-reviled Ewoks, though I think that people should keep in mind that the stormtroopers were ambushed and the Ewoks had help from Rebel troops.

Yet more reasons for me to believe that things only really started to go to shit with ROTJ.

[Rogue 9]

Well, see for yourself.

[amigocabal]

I find it amusing that people keep saying that the whole dramatic stake of the prequels (and everything they do in that timeframe) is pointless because it ends only in tragedy (Vader kills all the Jedi) but that somehow Rebels isn't. If we are to take Yoda's line about Luke being the last Jedi literary (and we should as Yoda knows about Ezra and Kanan by actually speaking with them) as well as Asoka, we know that they will die. Most likely killed by Vader. Their fate is somehow open but everything that happens during the Clone Wars somehow isn't.

Kanan was only a padawan; he is not officially a Jedi. Ahsoka left the Order during the Clone Wars so she is not a Jedi either.

[Lord Revan]

I find it amusing that people keep saying that the whole dramatic stake of the prequels (and everything they do in that timeframe) is pointless because it ends only in tragedy (Vader kills all the Jedi) but that somehow Rebels isn't. If we are to take Yoda's line about Luke being the last Jedi literary (and we should as Yoda knows about Ezra and Kanan by actually speaking with them) as well as Asoka, we know that they will die. Most likely killed by Vader. Their fate is somehow open but everything that happens during the Clone Wars somehow isn't.

Kanan was only a padawan; he is not officially a Jedi. Ahsoka left the Order during the Clone Wars so she is not a Jedi either.

Technically speaking Padawans were Jedi for this defination, besides it's clear in ROTS that Darth Sidious and by extension the Galactic Empire does not care if you finnished your trials or not if you were member of the order you're a target and I dout Yoda cares about the official ranking either and at least the "spirit Yoda" seemed to consider Kanaan to be full Jedi.

And Yoda was ready to bring Ahsoka back to the order (Windu's wording implied that she might even have been a full knight), she was the one who refused so it's probable that in Yoda's eyes she's a Jedi even if she didn't under go the ritual promotion to Jedi Knight

[Galvatron]

The real question is whether or not Vader would consider Ahsoka to be a Jedi.

[The Romulan Republic]

I find it amusing that people keep saying that the whole dramatic stake of the prequels (and everything they do in that timeframe) is pointless because it ends only in tragedy (Vader kills all the Jedi) but that somehow Rebels isn't. If we are to take Yoda's line about Luke being the last Jedi literary (and we should as Yoda knows about Ezra and Kanan by actually speaking with them) as well as Asoka, we know that they will die. Most likely killed by Vader. Their fate is somehow open but everything that happens during the Clone Wars somehow isn't.

Kanan was only a padawan; he is not officially a Jedi. Ahsoka left the Order during the Clone Wars so she is not a Jedi either.

Technically speaking Padawans were Jedi for this defination, besides it's clear in ROTS that Darth Sidious and by extension the Galactic Empire does not care if you finnished your trials or not if you were member of the order you're a target and I dout Yoda cares about the official ranking either and at least the "spirit Yoda" seemed to consider Kanaan to be full Jedi.

And Yoda was ready to bring Ahsoka back to the order (Windu's wording implied that she might even have been a full knight), she was the one who refused so it's probable that in Yoda's eyes she's a Jedi even if she didn't under go the ritual promotion to Jedi Knight

Yoda might have felt that way before she chose to not return. But after that... well, she chose to say goodbye to the Jedi.

Ashoka is a freelance Force user who happens to be allied with the Light Side, not a Jedi.

[Zixinus]

The real question is whether or not Vader would consider Ahsoka to be a Jedi.

If she doesn't come to him or she manages to overwhelm him by sentimentality (or otherwise persuaded to give mercy), I don't think he'll care too much about the semantic technicalities in which lightsaber-wielding, Force-using, Empire-opposing person he kills. Or about anyone else that opposes him and serves the Empire.

The more simpler solution would be that Yoda would not consider them to be Jedi by the time Luke is around, had good reason to believe they were dead or out of reach for anyone.

[Rogue 9]

Minor spoilers, but god damn it, James Earl Jones voicing Vader just gives me chills.

[biostem]

Minor spoilers, but god damn it, James Earl Jones voicing Vader just gives me chills.

Did Sabine just shrug off 2 reflected blaster shots with barely a scratch?

[Rogue 9]

She did. I want some of that plot armor she's got.

[Batman]

I don't know about 'barely a scratch'. She got back up, that's all we know. Plenty of people have done that after receiving eventually fatal wounds in the real world.

[Sea Skimmer]

What's the big deal about that? Isn't that supposed to be super elite armor for the only non force users in the galaxy whom had any chance against Jedi? Disney finally decided that GASP it might be possible to make actual body armor in Star Wars? I'd only welcome that kind of actual thinking instead of everything and one being cannon fodder to pistols.

Plus no reason exists to assume blast bolts reflect off light sabers with 100% of the power they originally had . They might have considerable energy losses in the process, making the armor far more effective. Just like KE ricochets. Which makes all the more sense since we have endless clear examples of blaster bolts having at least some KE component . Guns recoiling, Falcon thrown off axis ect... it should be impossible for a light saber to deflect one without absorbing at least some energy.

[Galvatron]

Apparently cortosis not only still exists in this new canon, but it's apparently also useful against blasters now:
Spoiler

Choking, Kanan struggled in vain to strike Vidian with what was left of his makeshift weapon. “Shoot him!” he said between gasps. “Shoot him!” Hera did exactly that, leaning over the computer console and firing a point-blank shot into Vidian’s back. Plasma coruscated over Vidian and fed into Kanan, shocking him. Through the pain, Kanan could see the robe that covered Vidian’s chest was tattered, revealing a silver sheen beneath. “I wouldn’t do that again,” Vidian said, ripping off the shreds of the garment with his free hand without loosening his hold on Kanan at all. “My skin graft is a cortosis mesh—a holdover from the days when I advised manufacturers in the field late in the Clone Wars. I can assure you, young lady—every bolt you fire against me will carry directly into your friend.”

John Jackson Miller (2014-09-02T04:00:00+00:00). A New Dawn Star Wars (Kindle Locations 3974-3980). Random House Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

I wonder what new and amazing things we can expect from ysalamiri next.

[Burak Gazan]

From replay of the clip, she took the bolt in the face....I'm all for not killing off the toys all at once, but come on....

At least wound her some