Force Heretic: Remnant Discussion Thread (spoliers maybe)

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-02-09 12:21am

Darth Fanboy wrote:Weve got how much longer before Refugee comes out? I'm getting eager now that the NJO books are actually getting decent.

May 5th. After that one, there is only a two month wait for the next one, Reunion.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-09 12:25am

Kewl, I knew Final Prophecy comes out in November but thats all I had info on.

And i know this isn't Force heretic, but has anyone read all or part of "Ylesia"? For those who don't know it it is an NJO e-book that isn't going to see print. The thing about it that interests me is that Ylesia is where the Peace Brigade has set up their capital.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-09 03:17pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:Of course, and Nom Anor is obviously more in touch with the history of the Imperial military than a fucking Grand Admiral...
No, but he IS more informed about the status and number of YV ships in the Galaxy, and he has very good information about the Empire. If you will note, the piddling NR has destroyed a THIRD of all the warriors that the YV brought to the Galaxy. The NR is not as powerful as the Empire, and the Emperor would have moved his forces quickly to the Rim to stop the invasion before it had a chance to get going. The YV needed to stop and re-arm when they arrived, the Emperor would have denied them the ability to do that.

Of course the fleet was already spread throughout the galaxy in an effort to nab the Rebels and Skywalker, and the YV invasion would really take pressure of the Rebels to a degree.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-02-09 04:27pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:Kewl, I knew Final Prophecy comes out in November but thats all I had info on.

And i know this isn't Force heretic, but has anyone read all or part of "Ylesia"? For those who don't know it it is an NJO e-book that isn't going to see print. The thing about it that interests me is that Ylesia is where the Peace Brigade has set up their capital.

I've read Ylesia.

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2003-02-09 05:52pm

Since I likely won't get a chance to read this book infortunately. What exactly is the status of the Imperial Remnant by the end of the novel and what was there role like in this one? I hear they lost Bastion but I'd just like some greater details on it.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-02-09 06:58pm

Icehawk wrote:Since I likely won't get a chance to read this book infortunately. What exactly is the status of the Imperial Remnant by the end of the novel and what was there role like in this one? I hear they lost Bastion but I'd just like some greater details on it.

Lost Bastion, lost a bunch of SDs, lost a lot of civilians (as slaves and otherwise), lost of hefty chunk of the military.

The Imperial role in Remnant consists primarily of 1) getting assraped by the Vong at Bastion, until Luke and co. show up and then 2) successfully fighting back at Borosk, with the NR's Vong-fighting secrets.

Pellaeon suspects that the Vong may take a swipe at the Imperial shipyards on their way out. The Vong were just trying to intimidate the Imperials, not flat-out destroy them. At the end of the novel, Pellaeon has agreed to an unofficial alliance with the Galactic Alliance.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-02-10 10:16am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:lol. I just think it is a tad premature to think about that now.

On the other hand, he may have just been voted into power by some confederation-minded Senators, so he is kissing ass and giving it stupid names. We don't know yet. The fact that they're diplomatically courting the Empire even though they don't need them to win anymore is particularly interesting.

On the contrary, they need them more than ever for tactical and political purposes.

Political: What better way to proclaim a GAlatic Allian then to bring the Empire into the fold and ally with them?

Tactical: The Imperial Navy is still a force to be recokned with, even after the fall of Bastion.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2003-02-12 02:37pm

Better than most NJO books, not saying much though. Gonna take a bloody miracle for me to rate the NJO series as anything other than mediocre though.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-12 06:36pm

Tactical: The Imperial Navy is still a force to be recokned with, even after the fall of Bastion.

The Imperial Navy is impressive in the quality of its training and ships.

Nothing else. It's too small and too corrupt and too little to be of any real galaxy-wide concern.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-02-12 09:54pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Tactical: The Imperial Navy is still a force to be recokned with, even after the fall of Bastion.

The Imperial Navy is impressive in the quality of its training and ships.

Nothing else. It's too small and too corrupt and too little to be of any real galaxy-wide concern.

Yeah, well, go back thirty years and then say it to an armada of TIES and Star Destroyers...

"We're masters of our destiny. Don't waste your life in endless battle as I did. Not when the universe beckons."

-Dr. Fate,
SUPERMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES EPISODE #20 "The Hand of Fate"-

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-12 10:03pm

Hey moron. Read your post. "After the fall of Bastion."

Especially then, but even before, they're pathetic.

The New Republic has well over 1000 sectors, diverse and throughout the galaxy.

The Imperial Remnant has eight in a shitty part of the Outer Rim. You do the comparison.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-02-13 02:04am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Hey moron. Read your post. "After the fall of Bastion."

Especially then, but even before, they're pathetic.

The New Republic has well over 1000 sectors, diverse and throughout the galaxy.

The Imperial Remnant has eight in a shitty part of the Outer Rim. You do the comparison.

Label me as a moron again and I will have to implore a countermeasure that is a combination of psychology and violence. The point I was hoping to make goes into the questions of "Look who you're messing wiht now, punk" as well as "If the Empire was still in power, would they have had a better time in defeating the Vong", the latter towards which I say yes, they would have whooped their asses by the end of the first year. Can you say, bring on the Star Destroyers! Wheel in the World Devestators. This galaxy isn't big enough for the both of us!

Ahem. Thank you.

-"Well Bats, it's been a hoot as always. May the floss be with you!"

The Joker, Batman The Animated Series' "Mad Love"-

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-20 04:19pm

Well I haven't finished reading it yet, but I've found some gripes:

1. Organic technology fanboy wankfest time again, fuck this pisses me off, I hate the very concept of organic technology, and especially when they begin flapping and yapping about Zonama Sekot and they're incredible _organic_ ships that where better than any other ship in every way, oh fucking please, that pissed me off more than the absurd times in B5 when the characters would start wanking on some organic technology relic they've found.
They also said that coralskippers where superior? Excuse me? Those worthless slabs of stone that get killed by the thousands? No way.

2. Relatively minor point but it shows the authors these days aren't up on the small things, it mentioned Luke's cyborg hand being unatrually cool, this is false, we know from another novel that the hand perfectly mimicks a real hand.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-20 04:28pm

Hey HDS, page 121, bottom half there is a quote stating that the Yaga Minor shipyards "dwarf" a small moon. Might be relevent to your database.

Especially when you remember that the DS was considered the size of a small moon.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-20 04:32pm

Oh yeah, thats definitly an up

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-20 04:38pm

His Divine Shadow wrote: They also said that coralskippers where superior? Excuse me? Those worthless slabs of stone that get killed by the thousands? No way.

In terms of speed and manuverability, they are superior. This was established back in Vector Prime.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-20 04:40pm

I 'spose I can buy that, seeing as their drives are based on magic after all.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-03-05 03:06am

Christ, I'm limping through this novel. Its just not that interesting. Couldn't they have done SOMETHING interesting, like finding out the Remnant was buuilding a new Death Star all this time to unleash against the Vong? and What happened to Pellaeon's SSD? Why is he back on the Chimaera?

True, I haven't finished the book yet. I'm on page 234. I'm finding myself skimming pages, beecause I could give less than a fuck about Tahiri, Jacen or Jania.

Just picked up "Tatooine Ghost", and can't WAIT to read that.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-03-05 03:16am

Lord Poe wrote:True, I haven't finished the book yet. I'm on page 234. I'm finding myself skimming pages, beecause I could give less than a fuck about Tahiri, Jacen or Jania.

It is mediocre yes.
That Tahiri angle could have had some potential, like some backlash of those experiments they performed on her, or maybe Anakin's ghost really coming back in some form, chasing her in her dreams.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-03-05 05:28am

Lord Poe wrote:and What happened to Pellaeon's SSD? .

I'm fairly certain it's the ship called Defiant, and yes it makes an appearance.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-03-05 10:56pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:Kewl, I knew Final Prophecy comes out in November but thats all I had info on.

And i know this isn't Force heretic, but has anyone read all or part of "Ylesia"? For those who don't know it it is an NJO e-book that isn't going to see print. The thing about it that interests me is that Ylesia is where the Peace Brigade has set up their capital.

Dude, I posted that some time ago. I got the ebook and read it. It's actually damn good. Which is surprising.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-03-06 12:48pm

what's Ylesia about then, can I get a skimmed version? Im thinkin about getting it if it actually is good but I cant find any decent reviews.

generator_g1 · Post by **generator_g1** » 2003-03-06 11:00pm

I have a question about Zonoma Sekot...
How do you go about making an entire planet move? What will happen to it's ecosystem? Natural resources like forests and seas? Vergere said that everything was in harmony with each other, won't moving an entire planet off it's orbit throw off that harmony?

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-03-06 11:28pm

First off, Fanboy, don't listen to anyone but me on Ylesia. This is how good it is. I loved it. Why does that measure how good it was? Because I severly hate most EU and the majority of the NJO. This ebook was great though. It was very exciting.

SPOILER

The Peace Brigade get their asses kicked on thier own turf. By JEDI!!!

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-03-06 11:30pm

generator_g1 wrote:I have a question about Zonoma Sekot...
How do you go about making an entire planet move? What will happen to it's ecosystem? Natural resources like forests and seas? Vergere said that everything was in harmony with each other, won't moving an entire planet off it's orbit throw off that harmony?

Zonoma Sekot is a living planet. The whole thing is alive. So it moving, while strange, I can kind of see. It would actually be able to hold itself together somehow. Ah fuck it. It's Sci Fi/Fantasy, It's a bastard planet that travels through hyperspace.