The Clone Wars Cartoon..

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2003-11-13 12:39am

Fuck, did that episode blow. Droids on speeder bikes with lances? Sure.

I hope this isn't an indication of what else this "micro-series" has in store.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-11-13 01:09am

Stupidest. Fucking. Episode. Ever. How the fuck can one guy lift an entire AT-TE with a LANCE?

As to it exploding, I assume the lance had some sort of ... charge. Or something.

Good points:

1. At least this 'charge' flanked the SPHA-Ts. EDIT: by charge I mean the charge of those speeder mounted lance equipped droids.

2. SPHA-Ts are clearly capable of over-the-horizon fire when required.

3. The droids destroyed the SPHA-Ts with mines, not unlike the magnetic anti-tank mines used by forces in WW2. Except of course, in WW2, they weren't speeding by enemy artillery in the open ...

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2003-11-13 01:55am

Vympel wrote:SPHA-Ts are clearly capable of over-the-horizon fire when required.

It may have been a variant firing projectiles like the AT-TE. The reason I suggest this is because turbolaser bolts are supposedly not effected by gravity.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-11-13 01:58am

Clone Sergeant wrote:
It may have been a variant firing projectiles like the AT-TE. The reason I suggest this is because turbolaser bolts are supposedly not effected by gravity.

Possibly. Do we know the operating principles of the SPHA-Ts weaponry? Like, I know T: stands for turbolaser but what's in a name? No need to assume that every weapon seen in SW must follow principles set previously when it doesn't look/act the same (ref: AOTC).

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2003-11-13 02:04am

Vympel wrote:Possibly. Do we know the operating principles of the SPHA-Ts weaponry? Like, I know T: stands for turbolaser but what's in a name? No need to assume that every weapon seen in SW must follow principles set previously when it doesn't look/act the same (ref: AOTC).

Point. This may be the first example of blaster weaponry whose fire can be made to travel in a arc. It eliminates a major assumed tactical disadvantage of the clone army artillery.

The Prime Necromancer · Post by **The Prime Necromancer** » 2003-11-13 02:42am

I think Mr. Tartakovsky needs to learn that while guys with lances destroying tanks is OK in Samurai Jack, it's *really* stupid in anything Star Wars.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2003-11-13 03:00am

Does anybody else feel this so-called 'microseries' is a premature ejactulation of a show? I sat down to watch an episode, before I could even RELAX the damn thing was over.

Who the hell thought that 5min cartoon shorts, presented with an episode a day rather than, say, 4 episodes together, would be a good idea?

The basic idea was a sound - SW would lend itself well to a cartoon format, particularly since the great majority of the PT relies on animation - but as someone has already said, it is too goddamn short for the way it is presented each night.

I'm waiting for the weekend, where they'll reshow all 5 episodes relatively back-to-back (you still have to watch the other full-length cartoons that are in-between). I think it'll make an interesting hour-long short film. I just can't fathom why they couldn't do that, rather than the bizarre 5min thing...

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-11-13 03:05am

Stofsk wrote:Does anybody else feel this so-called 'microseries' is a premature ejactulation of a show? I sat down to watch an episode, before I could even RELAX the damn thing was over.

Who the hell thought that 5min cartoon shorts, presented with an episode a day rather than, say, 4 episodes together, would be a good idea?

The basic idea was a sound - SW would lend itself well to a cartoon format, particularly since the great majority of the PT relies on animation - but as someone has already said, it is too goddamn short for the way it is presented each night.

I'm waiting for the weekend, where they'll reshow all 5 episodes relatively back-to-back (you still have to watch the other full-length cartoons that are in-between). I think it'll make an interesting hour-long short film. I just can't fathom why they couldn't do that, rather than the bizarre 5min thing...

It's not optimal, that's for sure- I don't care that much though, as I'm hoping it'll come with the Episode III DVD- it's only an hour, you can't release that by itself.

That's if I continue to watch it after the somewhat promising start was utterly pissed on by today's rank stupidity.

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2003-11-13 03:11am

Clone Sergeant wrote:It may have been a variant firing projectiles like the AT-TE. The reason I suggest this is because turbolaser bolts are supposedly not effected by gravity.

IIRC Ep.II ICS says they have changeable guns barrels which can be swapped out for different situations.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-11-13 06:08am

Vympel wrote:It's not optimal, that's for sure- I don't care that much though, as I'm hoping it'll come with the Episode III DVD- it's only an hour, you can't release that by itself.

Hey, it's GL! He can do anything!

Rumor mill has it that the Clone Wars will be released on DVD in Summer 2004, all 20 episodes (10 this month, 10 in Spring). This is to be followed by a seperate OT DVD release (bumped up from its orignially slated post-EIII release). But this information is subject to change.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-11-13 06:23am

I am willing to bet those lances are something like the power weapons of wh40k.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-11-13 07:31am

His Divine Shadow wrote:I am willing to bet those lances are something like the power weapons of wh40k.

They must be, but Durge and his lance must be ridiculously strong to slam into an AT-TE head-on (at considerable speed), lifting it up from underneath the chin, and then boom it explodes. It's just dumb.

The flanking of the SPHA-T batteries I can live with, the 'charge of the droids with lances' I can't though- they just ride through a spray of clonetrooper fire.

Super-Gagme · Post by **Super-Gagme** » 2003-11-13 03:10pm

Don't Roughriders in 40k carry lances that specifically are designed to rip into tanks and explode from the inside? Don't see why you can't have them in this

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2003-11-13 03:11pm

Wild Karrde wrote:
Clone Sergeant wrote:It may have been a variant firing projectiles like the AT-TE. The reason I suggest this is because turbolaser bolts are supposedly not effected by gravity.
IIRC Ep.II ICS says they have changeable guns barrels which can be swapped out for different situations.

I do recall that. But in the episode the cannons mounted on the SPHA-T's looked exactly like the one's in Episode 2.

I think the whole episode was pretty sloppy. When you have to come up with unusual theories to explain the events in an episode you know the creators of the show have messed up.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-11-13 05:44pm

Vympel wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:I am willing to bet those lances are something like the power weapons of wh40k.
They must be, but Durge and his lance must be ridiculously strong to slam into an AT-TE head-on (at considerable speed), lifting it up from underneath the chin, and then boom it explodes. It's just dumb.

The flanking of the SPHA-T batteries I can live with, the 'charge of the droids with lances' I can't though- they just ride through a spray of clonetrooper fire.

If it hurts that much...just remember the sweet episode before that one.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-11-13 05:46pm

Funny how the opinion went from "cool!" to "Motherfucker!" in the span of 3 minutes

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-11-13 05:49pm

Ender wrote:Funny how the opinion went from "cool!" to "Motherfucker!" in the span of 3 minutes

Did you see last night's episode? It was pretty bad. A very big let down after the previous episodes being so sweet.

Crazy Goji · Post by **Crazy Goji** » 2003-11-13 06:27pm

All of you complaining about it being too short, just to tell you, this is a test run for future full-lenghted Star Wars cartoons, and from what I hear, something to do with Han Solo.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-11-13 09:46pm

Ender wrote:Funny how the opinion went from "cool!" to "Motherfucker!" in the span of 3 minutes

Less.

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2003-11-13 11:38pm

Vympel wrote:
Ender wrote:Funny how the opinion went from "cool!" to "Motherfucker!" in the span of 3 minutes
Less.

At least you didn't watch Chapter 3 or your disappointment would drop harder.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-11-13 11:39pm

You do recall we saw lance-wielding Gungans in TPM right? And what about the Royal Guardsman?

Yes, lance wielding robots and Calamarians is stupid (Even I can't deny that), but its hardly without precedent.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-11-13 11:40pm

Ender wrote:Funny how the opinion went from "cool!" to "Motherfucker!" in the span of 3 minutes

Bitching about the official stuff is one of the major hobbies of some people on this board. What do you expect?

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2003-11-13 11:43pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:You do recall we saw lance-wielding Gungans in TPM right? And what about the Royal Guardsman?

Yes, lance wielding robots and Calamarians is stupid (Even I can't deny that), but its hardly without precedent.

IMO the main stupidity lies in Durge uppercut lifting a tank with a lance. The secondary is them charging into heavy fire and obviously no casualties. Their second charge against those tanks was at least acceptable since they attacked from an unexpected position.

Crix Dorius · Post by **Crix Dorius** » 2003-11-14 12:16am

Sorry... but...

Don't shoot SPHA-T's heavy energybeam's ?!?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-11-14 12:23am

Connor MacLeod wrote:You do recall we saw lance-wielding Gungans in TPM right? And what about the Royal Guardsman?

Yes, lance wielding robots and Calamarians is stupid (Even I can't deny that), but its hardly without precedent.

The Gungans' lances were crowd-control shock devices.

The Royal Guardsmans' lances are stated to be ceremonial. Functional anti-armor lances are not with precedent.