New Clone Wars Shorts (Spoilers if not seen yet)

Dorsk 81 · Post by **Dorsk 81** » 2005-03-26 07:57am

Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:[possible movie spoilers, maybe]Wasn't there something about Grievous and his other droids having force-dampening fields around them, severely weakining the effects of force powers? I seem to remember reading this in the spoilers thread, but I could be making it up. If it's actually real, it would explain why why only Windu could affect Grievous, since Windu's supposed to be one of the most powerful Jedi.[/spoilers maybe]

Dooku also use TK against Grevious too in their little practice duel in Chapter 22, with that little prat-fall, that was funny.

VT-16 wrote:Yeah, they had tried it before, Grievous just stood still for long enough in ch. 25. Explains why he´ll sound the way he does in ROTS.

No, they only sent blasts/pushes, whatever you want to call them, at him before, no one tried to crush him. And while he may have been standing still when Mace crushed him, he was still shooting up into the sky at xmph on his ship.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-03-26 08:35am

No, he wasn´t, the ship was still on the ground when he tried to intimidate Mace.

Dorsk 81 · Post by **Dorsk 81** » 2005-03-26 08:48am

*Rewatches* Yep, right you are, then Mace jumps up after the ship, lands, and looks like he's gunna try to crush the ship or something before it zooms off.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-03-26 08:49am

Wonder what made him change his mind. He looks up, determined, then lowers his hand and turns around. Maybe the risk of downing the ship and killing the Chancellor was too great? Or he´s more worried about the other Jedi?

McC · Post by **McC** » 2005-03-26 10:52am

Dorsk 81 wrote:Also, Anakin didn't fuck up like I though he would with the mutant Cat-Men things. I assumed he'd kill them and be all evil, but all he did really worng was to crush that Techno Union guy.

Which is far worse

Had he killed the Cat-Men, he would've been more or less defending himself. It wouldn't be the 'ideal outcome' to the situation, but it wouldn't have been an evil act as he was in mortal danger.

With the Techno-Union punks, he was in basically no danger, but he attacked them to avenge what they did to the Cat-Men. Vengeance leads to the Dark Side

Self-defense does not.

On the topic of Grevious/Mace:

I find it entirely plausible that the Jedi to face Grevious previously simply didn't think to try crushing him. How many times do we ever see a Jedi crush something? It's usually Vader if anyone

Crushing might be seen as too offensive to the defense-oriented Jedi. Instead, they're used to pushing or pulling. Crushing might also be a more advanced power. It also takes more energy (I'd assume) to warp the actual structure of something as opposed to just knocking over a bipedal object that isn't particularly stable to begin with (consider how easy it is to knock over a person with just a push).

On Episode 25 in General:

Much better than 24, I think. 24 felt like one big "set-up" episode, which I think might be why it felt like a bit of a let-down (contrary to my previously stated reason). 25 was a big payoff ep and I enjoyed it immensely. Does Grevious not know he's working for Palpatine? I'd've assumed that given his station, he'd be let in on the whole thing by Dooku or someone, but given their exchange in private in this episode, it still seems as though Grevious doesn't know about Palpatine's role in everything.

The look on Shaak-Ti's face when she realizes that she's been played is awesome. The perfect "Oh shit...oh hell" look.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-03-26 11:07am

It looks like on Saturday (today) they're going to be playing episodes 21-25 in one big 1.5 hour block. Already set the DVR to record

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-03-26 11:48am

Well from what I've seen these mini episodes appear to be cannon. The end appears to tie directly into the opening of ROTS. If so how high level are the events in the cartoon?

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-03-26 12:10pm

Apparantly, Lucas came up with Shaak-Ti and Palpatine being chased by Grievous and his Magnadroids, when he was sitting down with the CW team, so that part is G-canon. The details of the capture and start of the battle + the adventure on Nelvaan is C-canon.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2005-03-26 12:26pm

Isolder74 wrote:The end appears to tie directly into the opening of ROTS. If so how high level are the events in the cartoon?

So does the end of "Labyrinth of Evil." That doesn't make it any more canon, to my knowledge

VT-16 wrote:Apparantly, Lucas came up with Shaak-Ti and Palpatine being chased by Grievous and his Magnadroids, when he was sitting down with the CW team, so that part is G-canon. The details of the capture and start of the battle + the adventure on Nelvaan is C-canon.

Is this in keeping with the canon policy? I was under the impression that it was G-level only if Lucas had direct creative control over the whole thing (i.e. the movies only). Anything else was C or S (or N).

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2005-03-26 02:12pm

Speaking of the crushing there's also the matter of whether or not most other Jedi can manage it.. after all Grievous has a mostly droid body and given that he's a one off and expected to go into HTH with Jedi I'm betting he's quite a bit more heavily built than a Baktoid B1 or even B2.

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-03-26 02:36pm

How does the mission on Nelvaan fit in with the events of LoE?

LoE has Obi and Ani on Tythe, not Nelvaan when they recieve news of the attack on Coruscant.

Unless Nelvaan is a mission that LoE doesn't cover, and after leaving Nelvaan, Obi and Ani go to Tythe, after which they hear of Palpatine's capture (the CWC doesn't disprove a mission to Tythe, just skipped over it).

What do you think?

Obviously LoE goes more in depth with Palpatine's abduction, and there's not real contradictions there, but the Tythe vs. Nelvaan may be a continuity problem.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-26 02:44pm

Does Grevious not know he's working for Palpatine? I'd've assumed that given his station, he'd be let in on the whole thing by Dooku or someone, but given their exchange in private in this episode, it still seems as though Grevious doesn't know about Palpatine's role in everything.

I never seriously considered that Grevious knew the true reason the Clone War was fought. He seemed to be a pawn Dooku's and Sidious' needed to prolong the conflict when it seemed the Republican Army would crush the Separatists too early. They want to stretch the Jedi thin, and bring Anakin closer to the Dark Side (I doubt Dooku knew about the latter; he was operating under the impression he was Sidious' favorite).

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-03-26 03:56pm

The Original Nex wrote:How does the mission on Nelvaan fit in with the events of LoE?

LoE has Obi and Ani on Tythe, not Nelvaan when they recieve news of the attack on Coruscant.

Unless Nelvaan is a mission that LoE doesn't cover, and after leaving Nelvaan, Obi and Ani go to Tythe, after which they hear of Palpatine's capture (the CWC doesn't disprove a mission to Tythe, just skipped over it).

What do you think?

Obviously LoE goes more in depth with Palpatine's abduction, and there's not real contradictions there, but the Tythe vs. Nelvaan may be a continuity problem.

That's the problem, it doesn't fit in with LoE a bit. LoE is far more compelling and interesting and IMO is the tie-in to ROTS, not this "kiddie" cartoon. I liked the first two seasons, but the third has been terrible in terms of continuity and consistency. One thing that annoyed the shit out of me was the character assassination of Palpatine in the last episode. Awful. I think Luceno made an excellent characterization in LoE.
I must say I was disappointed by the third season.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-03-26 06:39pm

The CW team had no idea what other authors were doing, they were never told anything. If there´s a continuity error, don´t blame them.

I was under the impression that it was G-level only if Lucas had direct creative control over the whole thing (i.e. the movies only)

Nope. The movies and any additional information he comes with (like naming the planet that delivered armor to the Clone Army, Rothana).

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-03-26 08:48pm

Mange the Swede wrote:
The Original Nex wrote:How does the mission on Nelvaan fit in with the events of LoE?

LoE has Obi and Ani on Tythe, not Nelvaan when they recieve news of the attack on Coruscant.

Unless Nelvaan is a mission that LoE doesn't cover, and after leaving Nelvaan, Obi and Ani go to Tythe, after which they hear of Palpatine's capture (the CWC doesn't disprove a mission to Tythe, just skipped over it).

What do you think?

Obviously LoE goes more in depth with Palpatine's abduction, and there's not real contradictions there, but the Tythe vs. Nelvaan may be a continuity problem.
That's the problem, it doesn't fit in with LoE a bit. LoE is far more compelling and interesting and IMO is the tie-in to ROTS, not this "kiddie" cartoon. I liked the first two seasons, but the third has been terrible in terms of continuity and consistency. One thing that annoyed the shit out of me was the character assassination of Palpatine in the last episode. Awful. I think Luceno made an excellent characterization in LoE.
I must say I was disappointed by the third season.

Well, it can be rationalized, pretty easily actually, in the way I mentioned above.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-26 09:23pm

Unless Nelvaan is a mission that LoE doesn't cover, and after leaving Nelvaan, Obi and Ani go to Tythe, after which they hear of Palpatine's capture (the CWC doesn't disprove a mission to Tythe, just skipped over it).

I just watched the end of Episode 25. They hear about the attack and Palpatine's abduction just as Anakin's finishing his arm replacement. I doubt it could be rationalized with LoE at any rate.

Coalition · Post by **Coalition** » 2005-03-26 09:51pm

One thing in Episode 25, is the designs on the screen, as Anakin is sneaking through the Techno-Union base. Those are General Grievous' plans. If Anakin had taken the time, he could have gotten a download of Grievous, for th Jedi to find a weak point.

Now if the plans had included the extra set of arms, as a spoiler to later in the episode, that would have been neat.

Styphon · Post by **Styphon** » 2005-03-26 10:11pm

anyone else REALLY disturbed by the stripper music as Threepio is showing off his gold plating?

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2005-03-26 11:35pm

Styphon wrote:anyone else REALLY disturbed by the stripper music as Threepio is showing off his gold plating?

Indeed... someone was having too much fun with the scene.

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2005-03-26 11:35pm

Styphon wrote:anyone else REALLY disturbed by the stripper music as Threepio is showing off his gold plating?

Hell yes!!

Darth Bowser · Post by **Darth Bowser** » 2005-03-27 12:00am

There were more then a few areas where I laughed.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-03-27 12:44am

Coalition wrote:One thing in Episode 25, is the designs on the screen, as Anakin is sneaking through the Techno-Union base. Those are General Grievous' plans. If Anakin had taken the time, he could have gotten a download of Grievous, for th Jedi to find a weak point.

Now if the plans had included the extra set of arms, as a spoiler to later in the episode, that would have been neat.

Why would the plans need extra arms, when we see him USE them in the episode?

And why do we assume there is always a weak point? This isn't Star Trek you know. Darth Vader didn't have a weak point in his armor. The only thing to have a weak point as the DS.

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2005-03-27 02:04am

That Ithorian (sent a chill up my spine listening it being said onscreen) Jedi's screaming power: as far as I can tell from other sources, the regular hammerhead doesn't have it. Shaak Ti implies that Ithorians can do it because of their "powerful throat"? Therefore are only Ithorian Jedi (or other species with similar throat types) able to utilize this Force power??

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-03-27 02:30am

Leland Chee (Tasty Taste) posted some information regarding the continuity issues of the third season of CW in the Official Forums:

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa? ... start=0257

Of note:

Tasty Taste wrote:The cartoon portions of Nelvaan take place just after they are mentioned in Labyrinth. The placement of the scenes (in both the novel and the cartoon) make it appear that certain events are taking place simultaneously for dramatic effect when they actually are not.

Lone_Prodigy · Post by **Lone_Prodigy** » 2005-03-27 03:13am

Therefore are only Ithorian Jedi (or other species with similar throat types) able to utilize this Force power??

Them, or other alien species excellent at yelling. You have to admit, that was fucking awesome when he let loose and sent dozens of B2s flying.