Star Wars: Rebels

[FaxModem1]

Anyone else notice that the Force related families have the same pattern in their clothing/decorations? The Grandmother on the transport ship, along with her grandbaby's blanket were the same pattern as the comforter/throw rug on the couch of the Ithorian mother's?

Oora, mother of Pypey, and Darja, grandmother of Alora.

Pypey is the only one who didn't have that symbol near him in any scenes, so it is something left over from the Jedi Council, a gift showing that the kid is force sensitive, or something else? Though it would be idiotic of them to have that symbol marking them so that any Inquisitor could spot them out of a crowd if they wanted a force sensitive child.

[Zixinus]

It may be just a fashionable pattern. I'd sooner mark it up to creator laziness (easier to recolor the thing than make a entirely new one) than any subtle hint.

[Rogue 9]

I really feel like that needed to be two episodes. I understand the urge to get on with the main plot of Legacy and finding out about Ezra's parents, but I think the credibility of the Empire as a threat suffers (again) by rushing through the escape. Yes, the Rebels lose a transport (that we'd never even seen before) to random TIE fighter fire, but that many Star Destroyers shouldn't be so easy to just waltz away from. The Echo Base evacuation only worked at all because of the theater shield, ion cannon, and advance warning. They had none of those things on Gorel, and yet still managed to have a better record escaping. After building up to it so heavily in The Future of the Force, I feel like there should have been more significant consequences to being found.

[RogueIce]

Maybe there were more losses, we just didn't see them. Also the erroneous focus of the Admiral on "just" the command ship probably didn't help. The Ghost is clearly pretty dangerous but he ignores them. Seems to come into play with each of the three Imperial leaders: Kallus, the Inquisitors and the Admiral playing politics with each other.

And to be fair, taking the command ship would be pretty important, probably more important than some random soldiers or pilots. Alas, while Sato is possibly disposable, there's no way Rex is going out without a big, emotional sendoff so it was kind of predictable that they'd escape because he was there.

[Zixinus]

I really liked this episode, it may be one of the best in the seasons I think. The twist was good, especially with the force-vision in the beginning. I like how the Imperial forces did use tactics.

Also the erroneous focus of the Admiral on "just" the command ship probably didn't help

He didn't anticipate that the fighters would be that incapable of dealing with one ship. I do wonder what the turret-gunners were doing.

[Adam Reynolds]

I finally saw her fight with the Inquisitors and, well, Ashoka rules:

I have to say that for a character I originally rather strongly disliked, she ended up being among my favorite characters in the saga. Why can't a character like her have been in the prequels that was both new, and thus expendable in that she could actually die, as well as actually interesting with reasonable character development?

[Rogue 9]

Dave Filoni said he could have just had the whole episode be 22 minutes of that fight. Of course, he also said that about the walkers fighting after the sandstorm a few episodes ago.

[The Romulan Republic]

I finally saw her fight with the Inquisitors and, well, Ashoka rules:

I have to say that for a character I originally rather strongly disliked, she ended up being among my favorite characters in the saga. Why can't a character like her have been in the prequels that was both new, and thus expendable in that she could actually die, as well as actually interesting with reasonable character development?

Ashoka is likeable in part because she's a character who by all rights should have sucked horribly (started out as an annoying kid who's existence was a borderline continuity error and who was over powered given her record against foes who should have been out of her league), but who ended up succeeding quite well despite that. Which left me pleasantly surprised, and pretty much ensured that she would exceed expectations.

[Adam Reynolds]

Ashoka is likeable in part because she's a character who by all rights should have sucked horribly (started out as an annoying kid who's existence was a borderline continuity error and who was over powered given her record against foes who should have been out of her league), but who ended up succeeding quite well despite that. Which left me pleasantly surprised, and pretty much ensured that she would exceed expectations.

Early in the series, she lost more than she won against enemies like Grievous. For her it was a question of survival in fights like that. Which is one reason why she was interesting, her survival was actually in question to a degree. When Obi-Wan fought Grievous it was pointless because we knew both would survive. What made those fights worse than pointless was the fact that it made the assumption by the Jedi Council that Obi-Wan would defeat Grievous in ROTS extremely stupid. It would have been far better if the two had never interacted, as was done with Anakin and Grievous. They should have done the same thing for all three of them. Grievous should have fought enemies like Kit Fisto or Ashoka instead of Obi-Wan.

Though I still think she is a walking continuity error given ROTS, she is likable enough I am willing to ignore it.

[Andy Wylde]

Though I still think she is a walking continuity error given ROTS, she is likable enough I am willing to ignore it.

How exactly was Asohka a "walking continuity error" in ROTS? Because she wasn't spoken of? That doesn't make it a continuity error. It simply means she wasn't spoken of. There was no reason to bring her up in the movie. The movie worked fine without her. She also probably didn't exist at that time either.

So would a throw away line by Anakin saying "Damn I miss Asohka! I wish she was here right now" have helped? No it wouldn't have. She left the Jedi order on her own decision. This happens before the events of episode 3. There was no reason to bring her up again by anyone in ROTS. It wouldn't have made a difference to that particular story.

So no she is not a continuity error at all.

[Zixinus]

It is in the sense that there is now the question of "Why didn't Asoka teach Luke how to be a Jedi after he joined the Rebellion?"

Because that is a big part in Episode 2 the plot of which is how Luke is trying to learn how to be a Jedi but doesn't have a teacher. And Yoda is supposed to be the last Jedi.

It has to fit, so either it's going to be a convoluted explanation or the whole Rebels gang dies. Which isn't likely as this is still the Disney channel.

[Thanas]

It is in the sense that there is now the question of "Why didn't Asoka teach Luke how to be a Jedi after he joined the Rebellion?"

Because that is a big part in Episode 2 the plot of which is how Luke is trying to learn how to be a Jedi but doesn't have a teacher. And Yoda is supposed to be the last Jedi.

It has to fit, so either it's going to be a convoluted explanation or the whole Rebels gang dies. Which isn't likely as this is still the Disney channel.

Meh, might be as simple as "left the rebellion/went into hiding on some planet". I mean, Luke isn't the greatest in finding Jedi anyway.

Besides, Yoda IS the last Jedi, as Ahsoka is no Jedi.

[Andy Wylde]

It is in the sense that there is now the question of "Why didn't Asoka teach Luke how to be a Jedi after he joined the Rebellion?"

Because that is a big part in Episode 2 the plot of which is how Luke is trying to learn how to be a Jedi but doesn't have a teacher. And Yoda is supposed to be the last Jedi.

It has to fit, so either it's going to be a convoluted explanation or the whole Rebels gang dies. Which isn't likely as this is still the Disney channel.

Again this is why I stated that Asohka left the Jedi order. She had no intentions of training other Jedi. She plays no part in helping train or work with Kanan or Ezra in Rebels. She has no interest in rebuilding the Jedi order either. As Kanan or Ezra don't seem intent on rebuilding the Jedi order as well. I believe the reason why Asohka uses white colored sabers is because she wants to distance herself from the Jedi order of old. I am not sure of that so please don't quote me.


So even if Asohka lives during the time of episode 4 and beyond, doesn't mean she has any intentions of training any Jedi. She may just use her abilities to help the Rebel Alliance.

[Andy Wylde]

Meh, might be as simple as "left the rebellion/went into hiding on some planet". I mean, Luke isn't the greatest in finding Jedi anyway.

Besides, Yoda IS the last Jedi, as Ahsoka is no Jedi.

And yes this is also a very good answer too.

[The Romulan Republic]

I have to say, seeing how well Ashoka handled two inquisitors makes me perhaps even more interested to see how she'll do in a nearly inevitable fight with Vader. I mean, she obviously can't actually stop Vader because of canon, but I like to think it won't be completely one-sided.

[jwl]

If they don't want to kill them off there is one way to get rid of them: have them all frozen in carbonite.

[Zixinus]

Again this is why I stated that Asohka left the Jedi order. She had no intentions of training other Jedi. She plays no part in helping train or work with Kanan or Ezra in Rebels. She has no interest in rebuilding the Jedi order either.

None of that precludes them from training Luke, at least not that of any we know of. We also have so far no mention of Asoka not wanting to train Jedi (at least I don't recall it ever coming up).

Also, Asoka does work with Kanan and co, even if explicitly in the context of working for the Rebellion. Remember the episode titled "The Future of the Force". In it she explicitly calls the mission "Jedi Business".

As Kanan or Ezra don't seem intent on rebuilding the Jedi order as well.

Kanan is teaching Ezra in being a Jedi. He brought Ezra trough a Jedi trial in a Jedi temple.

The reason neither talk about rebuildng the Jedi Order is because it is very obviously impossible at the time, survival alone is questionable. They have to work trough the Rebellion to bring down the Empire before they do that, because while the Empire last and Sith lords are in power there can be no Jedi Order.

[Andy Wylde]

None of that precludes them from training Luke, at least not that of any we know of. We also have so far no mention of Asoka not wanting to train Jedi (at least I don't recall it ever coming up).

Actually it does preclude her from training Luke. Obi Wan was tasked with that job. So even if Asohka wanted to train Luke, that would have never had happened with Obi Wan being around.

[Thanas]

Besides, there is probably very little contact between the resistance groups. There is no "rebellion" as we find at Yavin, where everything is coordinated and strategies are planned. I have no doubt that Kenobi for example has no contact with Ahsoka and vice versa. So of a galaxy-wide rebellion I would find it peculiar that Ahsoka and Kenobi just happen to run into each other.

[Zixinus]

Actually it does preclude her from training Luke. Obi Wan was tasked with that job. So even if Asohka wanted to train Luke, that would have never had happened with Obi Wan being around.

No, that particular reason does not. Obi-Wan is in hiding and Asohka doesn't even know he is still alive. Leia contacted him in a last-ditch effort, remember? And Obi-Wan died before he ever reached the resistance cell when rescuing Leila. Obi-Wan never really entered the picture.

Yes, they are in two seperate cells but news and information has to get around between cells eventually. That should include a "if there are any living Jedi around willing to teach or Jedi artifacts, please forward them to Princess Leila in the Yavin cell".

I'm hoping that a good reason is given eventually but we are still hanging on what it is.

[Adam Reynolds]

Personally I wonder if Ashoka gets killed. Possibly doing something like distracting Vader so that the Death Star plans can be stolen. That could even be a tie in between Rebels and Rouge One, explaining where Vader is during those events. It would certainly be a noble sacrifice. Especially if she rattles him as he kills her.

[Andy Wylde]

No, that particular reason does not. Obi-Wan is in hiding and Asohka doesn't even know he is still alive. Leia contacted him in a last-ditch effort, remember? And Obi-Wan died before he ever reached the resistance cell when rescuing Leila. Obi-Wan never really entered the picture. I'm hoping that a good reason is given eventually but we are still hanging on what it is

Yes Obi Wan was in hiding, but he was in hiding watching over Luke as well. So yes Obi Wan was the one that would train him. So again as I said Asohka would have never had the opportunity to train Luke even if it was an option which it wasn't anyway. Obi Wan was holding Anakin's old light saber to give to Luke when he was ready. So whether Asohka knew if Obi Wan was alive or not is irrelevant. Obi Wan was just a hop, skip and jump away from Luke. We see Obi Wan trying to recruit him into becoming a Jedi when we see them in the hut in episode 4.

Also Luke never had any contact with the rebellion until he arrived on Yavin. But long story short is that Asohka was never part of the plan that Obi Wan and Yoda had for Luke.

[Zixinus]

Yes Obi Wan was in hiding, but he was in hiding watching over Luke as well. So yes Obi Wan was the one that would train him. So again as I said Asohka would have never had the opportunity to train Luke even if it was an option which it wasn't anyway. Obi Wan was holding Anakin's old light saber to give to Luke when he was ready. So whether Asohka knew if Obi Wan was alive or not is irrelevant. Obi Wan was just a hop, skip and jump away from Luke. We see Obi Wan trying to recruit him into becoming a Jedi when we see them in the hut in episode 4.

Also Luke never had any contact with the rebellion until he arrived on Yavin. But long story short is that Asohka was never part of the plan that Obi Wan and Yoda had for Luke.

Dude, I think you are confused about how Ahsoka is a problem in the timeline here.

Rebels takes place before the events of New Hope. We know this because Senator Organa is still around and so is Aldaraan.

Luke is on Tatooine being a moister farmer. Obi-Wan is in hiding pretending to be an old crazy uncle (and also not training Luke until his family is dead). As far as we can tell, Ahsoka doesn't know about their existence. And as far as we know, most of the Rebellion thinks Obi-Wan is dead. We have no reason to believe he has any plans.

There is no conflict between Ahsoka and Obi-Wan because both think the other is dead.

Any "claim" that Obi-Wan has on Luke isn't relevant or implied anywhere. So far we have no reason to believe that Obi-Wan even has any contact with the Rebellion until the events of New Hope. We don't have any knowledge about him of any plan you are talking about.

The problem that Ahsoka's and Kana's presence comes into is the time period between the TNH and RotJ. This is a period where Luke is actively seeking a Master. He is so desperate that he is willing to brake away from the Rebel fleet and go to some uninhabited jungle world to find one based on the advice of a ghost he saw while nearly dying from hypothermia. Why didn't Obi-Wan mention Yoda to Luke before?

So the reasonable question is: in this period, why wasn't Luke directed to either Ahsoka or Kanan? Surely Luke has gathered enough favor that he can ask rebel leaders "Do you guys know any living Jedi who might be willing to train me?". Or any other survivor like Ahsoka might have heard about Luke and approached him. If Kanan is willing to train Ezra, why not Luke? At this point Ezra might have completed a lot of the training.

The answer we are waiting for is what happened to either of them that made them unavailable during that period? They'd either have to be dead or considered the same.

You are right that this doesn't make the films bad or diminish them. But it's still an annoying unanswered question hanging over the whole Rebels thing.

[Thanas]

I don't see how this is a problem, because Luke was not contacting every rebel group there is - (do they even have a real command structure that would allow for that?) and his contacts were essentially limited to the group we later find on Hoth.

[Andy Wylde]

Luke is on Tatooine being a moister farmer. Obi-Wan is in hiding pretending to be an old crazy uncle (and also not training Luke until his family is dead). As far as we can tell, Ahsoka doesn't know about their existence. And as far as we know, most of the Rebellion thinks Obi-Wan is dead. We have no reason to believe he has any plans.

Well first off Obi Wan wasn't "pretending to be an old crazy uncle" Second is the rebellion knowing if Obi Wan is dead or not has no bearing on whether he knows where Luke is. Obi Wan is hiding out from the Empire while at the same time watching over Luke and waiting till the time is right to train him. Asohka wouldn't paly into any plans for Luke while Obi Wan and Yoda are still alive.

Do you think Obi Wan just happened to live that close to Luke by coincidence? Obi Wan was the one who delivered Luke to the Lars family in ROTS. Also in ROTS Yoda tells Obi Wan and Bail Organa that they(Obi Wan and Yoda) will reveal themselves when the time is right. So no matter what the rebellion knows or doesn't know is irrelevant in regards to Luke getting trained by Obi Wan and later Yoda.

Now for Asohka as we already know she isn't seen with the rebellion in the films. She could possibly be with the rebellion, but with another cell and may never been involved with the rebels on Yavin, Hoth or Endor. Maybe she leaves the rebels before episode 4 takes place? Or maybe she dies before episode 4 takes place? We don't know yet what her fate is.


But as far as Luke being trained by Asohka, it was never or will never happen. From the show alone it seems like she isn't really looking to take on a student. And Kanan has doubts that he can even train Ezra as seen on the show when he is communicating with Yoda in season one in the Jedi temple episode. So Kanan and Asohka were never going to train Luke. Obi Wan was there to train Luke. That is the bottom line. No matter which you slice it. Even in ROTS he tells Yoda at the end, "I will take the boy to live with his family. And I shall look over him"

This is all spelt out in the films man! Why do you think that Obi Wan gave Luke his fathers saber when they met? Because he thought it was a nice accessory to go with Luke's out fit? C'mon Also Obi Wan was telling Luke to join him and go to Alderaan and BECOME A JEDI KNIGHT!