In ESB....???

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2003-01-10 11:23pm

1.Slave I was part of the Avenger's garbage dump? How'd it get in there? And why was it there in the first place.....he was on the Executor........

2. Proton bombs from the TIE bombers did nothing to the asteroid it bombarded...so what was it's purpose?

3. General Reiken made a comment that there were many meteorites in the system that will interfere with detecting ships coming in from hyperspace......Can the asteroids block scans or the sensors cannot distinguish between the asteroids and ships?

4. Vader wanted Executor to move out of the Asteroid field to have a clear transmission. So asteroids have an affect on the holonet right?

Things I saw:
Han said he didn't hit the probe droid hard...meaning he didn't have his blaster at full power.
Rogue 2 sounds weird when I finally paid attention to his voice.
The Walkers were at the North Ridge which is considerably far from the base supposely since it took time for the speeders to get there....we see a scene with R2 and in the background hear the walkers....

Is it speakers or really from the ground?

Cyaround,
Jason

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-01-10 11:40pm

Soontir C'boath wrote:1.Slave I was part of the Avenger's garbage dump? How'd it get in there? And why was it there in the first place.....he was on the Executor........

Are you sure he was inside the ship when it dumped?

2. Proton bombs from the TIE bombers did nothing to the asteroid it bombarded...so what was it's purpose?

It was to just scare the Falcon out.

3. General Reiken made a comment that there were many meteorites in the system that will interfere with detecting ships coming in from hyperspace......Can the asteroids block scans or the sensors cannot distinguish between the asteroids and ships?

Asteroids have high levels of minerals. That interferes with transmissions.

4. Vader wanted Executor to move out of the Asteroid field to have a clear transmission. So asteroids have an affect on the holonet right?

see above

Things I saw:
Han said he didn't hit the probe droid hard...meaning he didn't have his blaster at full power.

I always thought he meant he didn't hit anything critical.

Rogue 2 sounds weird when I finally paid attention to his voice.

How do you mean?

The Walkers were at the North Ridge which is considerably far from the base supposely since it took time for the speeders to get there....we see a scene with R2 and in the background hear the walkers....

Is it speakers or really from the ground?

The ceiling crumbles. It's real. The tunnels under Hoth are expansive. R2 very well could have been near the North Ridge. He could have been on the other side of the compound from the "hangar".

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-01-10 11:48pm

Soontir C'boath wrote:1.Slave I was part of the Avenger's garbage 1dump? How'd it get in there? And why was it there in the first place.....he was on the Executor........

2. Proton bombs from the TIE bombers did nothing to the asteroid it bombarded...so what was it's purpose?

3. General Reiken made a comment that there were many meteorites in the system that will interfere with detecting ships coming in from hyperspace......Can the asteroids block scans or the sensors cannot distinguish between the asteroids and ships?

4. Vader wanted Executor to move out of the Asteroid field to have a clear transmission. So asteroids have an affect on the holonet right?

Things I saw:
Han said he didn't hit the probe droid hard...meaning he didn't have his blaster at full power.
Rogue 2 sounds weird when I finally paid attention to his voice.
The Walkers were at the North Ridge which is considerably far from the base supposely since it took time for the speeders to get there....we see a scene with R2 and in the background hear the walkers....

Is it speakers or really from the ground?

Cyaround,
Jason

I have some (possible) answers to a few of your questions
1. Boba Fett may have 'snuck in' to the garage dumper, then slipped into the garbage flow. His ship has an extensive stealth system, so it wouldn't be hard. But, forgive me if I'm wrong( which I most likely am).
3. It was stated in the Essential guide to weapons that Hoth was not equipped with active scanners, only an electro-scope , ( eletronically enchanced telescope) since they didn't want to alert and passer by of their presence via their active scanning. It's entirely possible that this simple passive system could not keep track of everything because of all the meteors. They could have used a more advanced model, but this one was mobile and easy to mantain.
2. Since Vader wanted the Falcon intact, maybe they were ionic bombs of some sort, causing only ion-cannon like effects.
4. Asteroids do not effect Holonet transmissions. He wanted to move out of the field so they could lower their shields and send the transmission, since Holonet transmission won't go through combat shields, which were in use to protect the ship from hails of asteroids.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-01-11 12:45am

Soontir C'boath wrote: 2. Proton bombs from the TIE bombers did nothing to the asteroid it bombarded...so what was it's purpose?

What makes you think there are only one or a few kinds of proton bombs? Proton torpedoes can be a kiloton or so, why not proton bombs?

I should point out TIE Bombers can also carry thermal detonators - it may not neccesarily have proton bombs.)

3. General Reiken made a comment that there were many meteorites in the system that will interfere with detecting ships coming in from hyperspace......Can the asteroids block scans or the sensors cannot distinguish between the asteroids and ships?

No.. he said that the meteorites would make it difficult to spot "Approaching ships" not ships in hyperspace. That means ships approaching in realspace. Remember that they are trying to avoid detection, so active sensing would not be practical. And passive sensors of any kind can be confused or disrupted by any sort of emitting source or body (like a meteorite)

I point out that when the Death Squadron dropped out of hyperspace close to Hoth, the Rebels had no trouble detecting the emergence from hyperspace.

4. Vader wanted Executor to move out of the Asteroid field to have a clear transmission. So asteroids have an affect on the holonet right?

Objects in hyperspace can still interact with objects in realspace ("Without precise calculations..." remember Han's quote from ANH?)

This would be true of both communications and sensors (in fact, for it to be an effective means of communication, its a prerequisite)

Things I saw:
Han said he didn't hit the probe droid hard...meaning he didn't have his blaster at full power.

Or, that his blaster didnt' have enough power to blow it apart as spectacularily as it did.

The Walkers were at the North Ridge which is considerably far from the base supposely since it took time for the speeders to get there....we see a scene with R2 and in the background hear the walkers....

Which has relevance how...?

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-01-11 01:09am

For #1, Fett could have simply hidden on an asteroid like Han with his systems powered down, and waited for Falcon to power up.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-01-11 07:00am

For number one, what's the time difference between the Bounty Hunter meeting on the Executor and when the Falcon leaves her hiding place on the asteroid?
I remember it as being pretty long, or at least long enough for Fett to have gone to the Avenger. He knew that the Avenger was one of the frontline destroyers, and that it had recent contact with the Falcon (isn't the Avenger the one pursuing the Falcon before the Falcon goes into the asteroid?).
Once aboard the Avenger, Fett presumably talked the Imperial techs into putting Slave I in the trash. Since a lot of those pieces of trash were really big, there's obviously some sort of internal conveyance system for large pieces of machinery, with access to the garbage chute...it would make perfect sense for this to connect to the hangar, as that is where they would repair damaged ships.
The real question is how Fett knew Han would use that trick. If he simply saw Han attach to the back, that would make sense, but he was lying in wait, indicating that he anticipated the trick. Perhaps the trick is well known among scoundrels, but even so, Fett was pretty lucky that Han used it at that particular instance.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-11 07:08am

About the probe droid:

Didn't it self-destruct, hence why Han was surprised because he didn't shoot it with that much power?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-11 08:07am

Shinova wrote:About the probe droid:
Didn't it self-destruct, hence why Han was surprised because he didn't shoot it with that much power?

Yes it did self destruct, probots are dangerous, it vaped an entire wampa in the novel.

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-01-13 09:47am

Soontir C'boath wrote:1.Slave I was part of the Avenger's garbage dump? How'd it get in there? And why was it there in the first place.....he was on the Executor........

2. Proton bombs from the TIE bombers did nothing to the asteroid it bombarded...so what was it's purpose?

3. General Reiken made a comment that there were many meteorites in the system that will interfere with detecting ships coming in from hyperspace......Can the asteroids block scans or the sensors cannot distinguish between the asteroids and ships?

4. Vader wanted Executor to move out of the Asteroid field to have a clear transmission. So asteroids have an affect on the holonet right?

Things I saw:
Han said he didn't hit the probe droid hard...meaning he didn't have his blaster at full power.
Rogue 2 sounds weird when I finally paid attention to his voice.
The Walkers were at the North Ridge which is considerably far from the base supposely since it took time for the speeders to get there....we see a scene with R2 and in the background hear the walkers....

Is it speakers or really from the ground?

Cyaround,
Jason

For the Fett case:

Every smuggler know this standard imperial procedure and Fett knew also that the Falcon disappeared from the sensors near the Avenger.
For further info, read Tales of the bounty hunter's...
Most of the tales describes this event from a different POV.

As for the walkers:

On the R2 scene you can hear only the shaking of the ground. A little snowball hits R2's head. The snow came down from the ceiling because of the shaking.

All your other questions are already answered.

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2003-01-13 02:46pm

Regarding Question 1

If Boba Fett had to fly over to the Avenger why didn't he spot the Falcon attached to the back of it? He could have then signaled Vader & the whole fleet could have converged on the Avenger.

Or he could have signalled the Avenger & they could have deployed Space Troopers to assault or disable the Falcon...

Just a thought...

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-13 02:58pm

DocHorror wrote:Regarding Question 1

If Boba Fett had to fly over to the Avenger why didn't he spot the Falcon attached to the back of it? He could have then signaled Vader & the whole fleet could have converged on the Avenger.

Or he could have signalled the Avenger & they could have deployed Space Troopers to assault or disable the Falcon...

Just a thought...

But then he probably wouldn't have gotten the bounty.

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2003-01-13 02:59pm

Possibly, but he didn't exactly catch Solo on his own on Bespin either...so who knows...

Then again, if logia & comon sense was applied it probably would have been a short film...

Silver · Post by **Silver** » 2003-01-13 08:09pm

DocHorror wrote:Possibly, but he didn't exactly catch Solo on his own on Bespin either...so who knows...

Then again, if logia & comon sense was applied it probably would have been a short film...

No, but he was the one who followed the Falcon and alerted the Imps to the Rebels' presence on Bespin, so in that respect he'd get the bounty. He did "find" them after all.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-01-13 09:37pm

How is that different from telling Vader that the Falcon was on the back of the Avenger?

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-01-13 10:14pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:How is that different from telling Vader that the Falcon was on the back of the Avenger?

Because then the Imp fleet would move in and take all the credit, wheres on Bespin, he could claim that he tracked them without having spotted them earlier, and that they wouldn't have made it without him.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-13 11:18pm

IG-88E wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:How is that different from telling Vader that the Falcon was on the back of the Avenger?
Because then the Imp fleet would move in and take all the credit, wheres on Bespin, he could claim that he tracked them without having spotted them earlier, and that they wouldn't have made it without him.

And with that, there was a good possibility of getting Luke as well as Han and Leia.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-01-13 11:30pm

Stormbringer wrote:
IG-88E wrote: Because then the Imp fleet would move in and take all the credit, wheres on Bespin, he could claim that he tracked them without having spotted them earlier, and that they wouldn't have made it without him.
And with that, there was a good possibility of getting Luke as well as Han and Leia.

Did fett know about that part beforehand? IIRC the briefing for the Bounty Hunters didn't include Luke...since Vader assumed he would begin torturing Han/Leia AFTER the hunter turned them over.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-13 11:32pm

No...I don't believe he had given the novel says nothing towards this and Fett and the others were basically in this because the Empire was giving a bounty as well as Jabba the Hutt.

Luke was really never a part of the bounty as is...and really Vader's goal.

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-01-14 03:36am

Vader simply knew that if he capture the Falcon and it's passengers then young Skywalker will come to rescue them...

Let's get back to the Executor when Vader talking to the bounty hunters.

At that time a message is coming in from the Avenger that they've found them. So Boba Fett probably rushed to the Slave-1 and hid somewhere near the Avenger.

The Falcon's sensors were off-line otherwise they'd be detected. So Solo didn't see the Slave-1 as well. While Fett's had to rely on his eyes as well untill the trash has been released.
Then both ship turned on it's engines and headed to Bespin.

Slave-1 has a military cloacking device which hides the ship from sensors but not from visual contact. So Fett followed the Falcon and Solo didn't spot him. Then Fett made a possible calculation on their vector and the only result was Bespin. So he jumped there and by the time the Falcon get there he already signalled the imperials and had enough time to disable IG-88/B -as I remember- as well.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2003-01-14 11:14pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:
Soontir C'boath wrote: 2. Proton bombs from the TIE bombers did nothing to the asteroid it bombarded...so what was it's purpose?
What makes you think there are only one or a few kinds of proton bombs? Proton torpedoes can be a kiloton or so, why not proton bombs?

I should point out TIE Bombers can also carry thermal detonators - it may not neccesarily have proton bombs.)

Based on the Decipher CCG card they are Proton Bombs.

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2003-01-15 05:57am

I remember reading one of the Boba Fett stories, I can't for the life of me remember which one...I think it was one of the short stories, I could be wrong...

But anyway it has Fett looking out of a window on Executor & seeing the Falcon on the back of the Avenger with his own eyes...

Can anyone corrobirate whis or am I hallucentating again?

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2003-01-15 04:24pm

CmdrWilkens wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote:
Soontir C'boath wrote: 2. Proton bombs from the TIE bombers did nothing to the asteroid it bombarded...so what was it's purpose?
What makes you think there are only one or a few kinds of proton bombs? Proton torpedoes can be a kiloton or so, why not proton bombs?

I should point out TIE Bombers can also carry thermal detonators - it may not neccesarily have proton bombs.)
Based on the Decipher CCG card they are Proton Bombs.

Nice to know i'm not the only one to collect or look at them.

Cyaround,
Jason

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-01-15 05:25pm

DocHorror wrote:I remember reading one of the Boba Fett stories, I can't for the life of me remember which one...I think it was one of the short stories, I could be wrong...

But anyway it has Fett looking out of a window on Executor & seeing the Falcon on the back of the Avenger with his own eyes...

Can anyone corrobirate whis or am I hallucentating again?

Wha? THAT certainly doesn't make any sense! Why would Fett be the only one on such a massive ship to spot the Falcon, if it's close enough to be seen with the naked eye?

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2003-01-16 05:15am

Thats what I thought...but I can't prove it either way since I no longer have the books...

Anyone else out there have the Tales of the Bounty Hunters or other novel give a little help...

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-01-16 05:36am

I have it and read the whole book yesterday again.

There's not even a single proof on your theory!

All it said was what I also said before, Boba Fett knew the trick with the garbage while the other hunters didn't.

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