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Posted: 2003-01-16 08:47am

by Crown

... Did the Falcon reach Bespin without a Hyperdrive? I mean Hoth and Bespin aren't in the same star-system are they? This is one of those questions that has been bugging me since I was 9 so an answer would be nice. Anyone got any thoughts?

Posted: 2003-01-16 09:14am

by kojikun

Relativistic speeds.

They allow for luke to train for years and such.

Re: How the fuck...

Posted: 2003-01-16 09:21am

by Boba Fett

Crown wrote:... Did the Falcon reach Bespin without a Hyperdrive? I mean Hoth and Bespin aren't in the same star-system are they? This is one of those questions that has been bugging me since I was 9 so an answer would be nice. Anyone got any thoughts?

They are both in the Anoat system...

Posted: 2003-01-16 09:25am

by Batman

1. The WEG-inspired backup hyperdrive. Which then, of course, begs the question why they didn't use it to escape in the first place.

2. >.99c realspace time-dilation flight, which would have the welcome side effect of giving Luke time to actually get some training
done on Dagobah.

Posted: 2003-01-16 09:33am

by Boba Fett

Hey!

Do you think the whole TESB movie is a tale of one day's happening?

Even weeks may have passed between the "garbage-trick" scene and the Falcon's arrival on Bespin...

Posted: 2003-01-16 10:46am

by Batman

Boba Fett wrote:Hey!

Do you think the whole TESB movie is a tale of one day's happening?

Even weeks may have passed between the "garbage-trick" scene and the Falcon's arrival on Bespin...

Actually, I'm assuming that weeks, if not months didgo by.
Where did I imply otherwise?

And where does the information that both Hoth & Bespin are in the same system come from?And if they are ALREADY in the Anoat
system, why does Han mention it?
NTM that them being already there combined with the assumption that the trek took several weeks makes that one awfully big star system...

Posted: 2003-01-16 11:05am

by FX

I had assumed that Han had been able to get the hyperdrive to work, but it was way below normal speed, and apt to break as soon as he tried to use it a second time. This makes him want to do an overhaul of the system that can only be done in a port, so they go to Bespin which is close, and has people Han knows he can trust.

I don't think going by sublight drive would have worked. Even going .99c it would be months to get to another star, and I doubt a short hauler like the Falcon has the consumables to last that long. CO2 scrubbers only work so long no matter how little they eat.

Posted: 2003-01-16 11:20am

by Wicked Pilot

FX wrote: Even going .99c it would be months to get to another star

Accourding to my calculations, (which could of course be wrong) if the systems are 5 light years apart, and the Falcon travels at 0.99c, it will take 48.5 months as experienced by Luke to make the journey. The crew of the ship would only experience 6.8 months of travel.

If we plug in 0.999c, we get times of 48 months for Luke, and 2.1 months for the crew.

If we go to 0.9999c, Han and company make the trip in three weeks.

Posted: 2003-01-16 11:26am

by Knife

The Avenger must have carried them to the Anoat system after lossing the Falcon in the Hoth system. Leia asks Han "Where are we.", if they were still in the Hoth system, she should have known where she was. When the Avenger formed up with the rest of the fleet before departing to where ever, they brought the falcon with them. Now when Han checks his logs and see's that Bespin is "a little far but I think we can make it." from the Anoat system you can take it two ways.

1. The planet Bespin is in the Anoat system.
2. The Bespin system is next to the Anoat system and it takes a week, month, a couple of both to get there thus giving Luke time to do some more push ups.

Posted: 2003-01-16 11:32am

by DocHorror

Its couldn't have taken that long to get to Bespin, relatively or other wise...Do you think Boba Fett would have waited at Bespin for 48 months for the Falcon?

If after a bit of tracking he realised the Falcon was only going to travel at 0.999c he could have called Vader & told him where they were & they could have been intercepted...

Posted: 2003-01-16 12:07pm

by irishmick79

Maybe alot of ships do have some sort of backup drive like WEG says, but you just have to take time and reroute couplings and navigation computer-hook ups from the fried hyperdrive to the back up drive. Not exactly something you could do in the middle of a heated chase or a combat encounter.

Posted: 2003-01-16 01:49pm

by Wicked Pilot

Knife wrote:The Avenger must have carried them to the Anoat system after lossing the Falcon in the Hoth system.

I like that one. Perhaps the Avenger and other parts of the fleet hypered along the Falcon's last known trajectory which happened to be the Anoat System. They then scanned the area, found no Falcon, dumped garbage, and left.

Posted: 2003-01-16 02:01pm

by Lord Pounder

here is holt in relation to the Bespin system? There is a map on the NJO books so can someone with a NJO book confirm for is if they are in the same system?

Posted: 2003-01-16 03:17pm

by Majin Gojira

hmm...

"She can do .5 faster than lightspeed" - paraphrased Han solo.

Maybe this was the average high speed for the vessle without using hyperdrive?

I dunno.

Posted: 2003-01-16 03:34pm

by Illuminatus Primus

Knife wrote:The Avenger must have carried them to the Anoat system after lossing the Falcon in the Hoth system. Leia asks Han "Where are we.", if they were still in the Hoth system, she should have known where she was. When the Avenger formed up with the rest of the fleet before departing to where ever, they brought the falcon with them. Now when Han checks his logs and see's that Bespin is "a little far but I think we can make it." from the Anoat system you can take it two ways.

1. The planet Bespin is in the Anoat system.
2. The Bespin system is next to the Anoat system and it takes a week, month, a couple of both to get there thus giving Luke time to do some more push ups.

This is what I believe. The Avenger hyped away to some roundezvous point in the nearby Anoat System disperse along Vader's orders to follow the supposed last flight trajectory of the Falcon. At the edge of the system, they take a relativistic flight hop of a few months to Bespin, allowing Luke to get some real training. I don't buy that their transit was interstellar unless Bespin's star and Hoth's star are part of a tight binary star system.

Posted: 2003-01-16 03:38pm

by Cpt_Frank

Majin Gojira wrote:hmm...

"She can do .5 faster than lightspeed" - paraphrased Han solo.

Maybe this was the average high speed for the vessle without using hyperdrive?

I dunno.

No the exact quote is .5 past light speed.

Posted: 2003-01-16 05:08pm

by ClaysGhost

Wicked Pilot wrote:
FX wrote: Even going .99c it would be months to get to another star
Accourding to my calculations, (which could of course be wrong) if the systems are 5 light years apart, and the Falcon travels at 0.99c, it will take 48.5 months as experienced by Luke to make the journey. The crew of the ship would only experience 6.8 months of travel.

If we plug in 0.999c, we get times of 48 months for Luke, and 2.1 months for the crew.

If we go to 0.9999c, Han and company make the trip in three weeks.

I don't understand those figures. If it takes light 5 years to travel between two stars, and you travel between them at 99% of the speed of light, it will simply take 5/0.99 = 5.05 years to travel between them as seen by an observer at rest with respect to the distance interval (at rest with respect to the two stars, in this case). That's 60.6 months. So Luke has a little over 5 years to train (how would he know in advance, though). As far as the individuals doing the relativistic travel are concerned, the time interval they experience whilst in flight is compressed, by a factor sqrt(1 - 0.99^2) = 0.1..., so they think the journey lasts 5.05 * 0.1... which is about eight and a half months. They don't look particularly crestfallen at this prospect when discussing Bespin, if I remember correctly.

However, any of these speeds would require the Falcon to have a ridiculous exhaust velocity and mass ratio.

Posted: 2003-01-16 05:21pm

by SPOOFE

I don't buy that their transit was interstellar unless Bespin's star and Hoth's star are part of a tight binary star system.

That's a distinct possibility. The stars Alpha Centauri A and Alpha Centauri B are only 23 astronomical units apart... that's less than the distance between the Sun and Neptune. We don't even need to assume that the Falcon travelled at relativistic speeds to get there, and it still allows for the weeks of travel needed by Luke for his training.

Posted: 2003-01-16 05:41pm

by Robert Treder

Remember when figuring this one out that there are some pretty tight constraints on how much time went by for Luke and the rest of the galaxy. Every official timeline indicates that TESB begins 3 years after Yavin, and that ROTJ begins 4 years after Yavin.

Posted: 2003-01-16 06:29pm

by weemadando

Wicked Pilot wrote:
Knife wrote:The Avenger must have carried them to the Anoat system after lossing the Falcon in the Hoth system.
I like that one. Perhaps the Avenger and other parts of the fleet hypered along the Falcon's last known trajectory which happened to be the Anoat System. They then scanned the area, found no Falcon, dumped garbage, and left.

Posted: 2003-01-16 06:29pm

by weemadando

Wicked Pilot wrote:
Knife wrote:The Avenger must have carried them to the Anoat system after lossing the Falcon in the Hoth system.
I like that one. Perhaps the Avenger and other parts of the fleet hypered along the Falcon's last known trajectory which happened to be the Anoat System. They then scanned the area, found no Falcon, dumped garbage, and left.

No, standard procedure is to dump BEFORE jumping.

I think they just went sublight to Bespin.

Posted: 2003-01-16 07:03pm

by Illuminatus Primus

Exactly. Standard procedure before each jump. Just because they don't leave w/ an earlier dumping doesn't mean they didn't ever jump before. Non sequitur.

Posted: 2003-01-16 07:11pm

by Darth Garden Gnome

Well the map that came with SW Insider #65 shows that Hoth, Anoat, and Bespin are all very close. Although maps such as this have proven themselves easily contradicted at times. Chances are they rode the Avenger to Anoat, and then of course flew to Hoth.

We must also remember that in TPM the Naboo Cruiser flew from Naboo to Tatooine on merely sublight, which si supposedly much farther than the distance between Hoth and Bespin. The whole deal appeared to take not much more than a day, and not a significantly large amount of time seemed to pass on Naboo.

Posted: 2003-01-16 07:16pm

by SPOOFE

We must also remember that in TPM the Naboo Cruiser flew from Naboo to Tatooine on merely sublight

Are you sure? I seem to recall the dialogue stating that the hyperdrive was damaged and wouldn't take them all the way to Coruscant, not that it was totally useless.

Posted: 2003-01-16 07:17pm

by Illuminatus Primus

Tattoine is easily thousands of light-years from Naboo. And not even an Outer Rim system. They did not fly sublight. They hyped.