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The age old question, good or bad, light or dark, Sith or Jedi? With a small spin you are gearing up for war and need a Force based ally. Do you go with the PR choice the jedi, or the power choice the Sith. Or is you choice one of the EU Force cults?

Oh yell at me if this has already been asked.

Jedi, if only because they're less likely to stab me in the back. As for the EU groups I haven't the faintest idea what they're like so meh.

I only threw in th Eu because I remebered that they were there and I didn't want to not be inclusive.

You do know this is gonna end up in testing don't you?

Probably, I don't really care.

Sith, because as long as you remain strong and don't let your guard down, you can avoid treachery, and they have the shear power necessary to swiftly win a war.

Jedi, because unlike the Sith they actually seem to get along with other people on a level that isn't simply machiavellian manipulation or tyranical domination. Much better at my back. And he can always do the hand-waving thing to convince people of things.

Sith are all about passion and power which usually makes them stronger than the average jedi when it comes to confrontations but it also makes them reckless and overconfident which has been shown to be fatal.

Jedi are predictable and tend to sit on their rears reflecting which makes them useless in some cases but when they get going they tend to be alot smarter than the Sith approach of dominating everything.

I vote Jedi personnally because the chances of them manipulating the situation is reduced and they are alot more easily disposed of than the Sith counterparts. Less chance of them doing reckless stunts and Jedi dont constantly look for chances to kill each other.
With the Sith you have guys that would kill you just as quickly as they would kill each other which dosent really make for a good situation in a war.

Neither, though I'm not sure what official "group" that would leave me with. The Jedi are piss-scared of drawing on more than half their abilities, and the Sith are a bunch of rabid Machiavellian power-hungry idiots.

I was actually thinking of writing a story based around this concept, but like the other ideas, it's still sitting in my idea binder at the moment.

Neither. Jedi are too contemplative, too unwilling to take a proactive stance in most situations. I can't do that whole meditate and reflect bullshit. I've never been good at things like that. On the other hand, the Sith are power hungry and eventually become so obsessed with their power that they make some pretty bloody massive mistakes. They're inclined to get arrogant and foolish after a while.

I'd probably lean towards being a Grey Jedi, like Revan, Kyle Katarn, Jolee Bindo, or Kreia. Using both the Dark and the Light Side and trying to strike a balance. Sure, it's risky. Tapping into the Dark Side without becoming consumed by it apparently isn't easy for a Jedi. But from what I've seen in the EU, if you can do so successfully, then you're a much more formidable warrior than either a Jedi who relies soley on the light or a Sith who relies soley on the dark.

Grey Jedi usually still serve in the Jedi Order though, or are former members who left it.

Neither. I hate the Jedi's ridiculous codes and rules, and I hate the Sith's constant backstabbing and civil wars. I'm in between, a grey Jedi.

Seconding Vortex. All I'm out for is my own survival; anybody else's survival and my own power are just nice thing on the side.

I would probably train Grey jedi of my own with emphasis on loyalty. The jedi might not follow the orders I give them due to some stupid rule and the sith are backstabbing bastards whom have no business commanding anything as they generally destroy without thought for the future like lord Malak. Some one like Revan would be ideal as he uses both sides of the force, thinks ahead, and is generally competent and rational in his action.

Definately not Jedi, as I want to win. I point to the major difference in tactics used by the clonetroopers under the command of Jedi at Geonosis, and of the stormtroopers under the command of trained officers at Hoth.

Definately not Sith, as I want to survive winning. At every point in history they have overthrown the nominal leader in favor of themselves.

I'd go with one of the minor cults and use them soley for intelligence gathering.

Jedi can follow orders. Sith will just stab me in the back at the first opportunity. There's a reason why the Order tended to self-destruct whenever it had more than two members. Jedi in a second.

Of course, the generals actually planning the war would be ordinary military types, with the Jedi simply being called upon when their unique skills are needed. Actually putting the Jedi in charge of tactics would be almost as stupid as allying with the Sith.

Hmm... get choked to death or be told I did a good job. Three guesses where I put my vote

I don't like this 'oh, I'll just be a grey Jedi, all the advantages none of the drawbacks' sentiment. It's not just typical EU power level wanking, it goes against the basic theme in Star Wars that great power either corrupts (if you go ahead heedless of consequences) or paralyses into immobility (if you try to anticipate and avoid every possible negative consequence). Whether that's realistic or not is beside the point - it's a basic SW theme (drawn from a lot of earlier heroic/tragic fantasy) and it's annoying with the EU pisses on it by taking the 'unifying force' stuff way too far. At the very least accessing both sides at once without going totally insane in the attempt should be something only the greatest of grand masters can do - certainly not the apparent proliferation of grey Jedi and neutral cults all over the place. The one exception I might make is if some vast series of events actually changed the nature of the force itself to remove or at least seriously diminish the basic divide, but AFAIK nothing in the EU qualifies.

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Starglider wrote:I don't like this 'oh, I'll just be a grey Jedi, all the advantages none of the drawbacks' sentiment. It's not just typical EU power level wanking, it goes against the basic theme in Star Wars that great power either corrupts (if you go ahead heedless of consequences) or paralyses into immobility (if you try to anticipate and avoid every possible negative consequence). Whether that's realistic or not is beside the point - it's a basic SW theme (drawn from a lot of earlier heroic/tragic fantasy) and it's annoying with the EU pisses on it by taking the 'unifying force' stuff way to far. At the very least accessing both sides at once without going totally insane in the attempt should be something only the greatest of grand masters can do - certainly not the apparent proliferation of grey Jedi and neutral cults all over the place. The one exception I might make is if some vast series of events actually changed the nature of the force itself to remove or at least seriously diminish the basic divide, but AFAIK nothing in the EU qualifies.

There are two uses for the term "Grey Jedi" from what I've seen. There's the Jolee Bindo and Qui-Gon Jinn types, who are a bit too reckless compared to most Jedi. Anakin and possibly Luke would fall into this area too. They're less contemplative, more action-oriented, or they just don't particularly like the Jedi Code. They're really not in much more danger of falling to the dark side than other Jedi. Then there are "Grey Jedi" like Kyle Katarn and Revan who use both the light and dark sides of the Force, and frankly, it does take a lot of willpower to pull it off, as both of them fell to the Dark Side, at one point, one of them in a very hard way. "Hey, I'm the Dark Lord of the Sith!"

So yeah, the second definition of "Grey Jedi" is a bit wankish, but most people who try balancing Light and Dark Side end up falling very damn hard to the Dark Side anyway, from what I've seen. If they get redeemed and turn back to the light, they might continue to tap into the Dark Side, but they'd be a hell of a lot more cautious about it, I'd wager.

SilverWingedSeraph wrote:There are two uses for the term "Grey Jedi" from what I've seen. There's the Jolee Bindo and Qui-Gon Jinn types, who are a bit too reckless compared to most Jedi. Anakin and possibly Luke would fall into this area too. They're less contemplative, more action-oriented, or they just don't particularly like the Jedi Code. They're really not in much more danger of falling to the dark side than other Jedi. Then there are "Grey Jedi" like Kyle Katarn and Revan who use both the light and dark sides of the Force, and frankly, it does take a lot of willpower to pull it off, as both of them fell to the Dark Side, at one point, one of them in a very hard way. "Hey, I'm the Dark Lord of the Sith!"

So yeah, the second definition of "Grey Jedi" is a bit wankish, but most people who try balancing Light and Dark Side end up falling very damn hard to the Dark Side anyway, from what I've seen. If they get redeemed and turn back to the light, they might continue to tap into the Dark Side, but they'd be a hell of a lot more cautious about it, I'd wager.

Furthermore, I don't believe that either category would exactly qualify in view of the context of the poll. Those in the first category are either semi-ostracized members of the Jedi order, or hermits who live alone, or, (in Luke's case,) the last known Jedi Knight, forced to reform the Jedi order.

As for those in the second category, both Kyle Katarn and Darth Revan were powerful and experienced members of either the Jedi or the Sith. The problem is, whichever category you are talking about, Gray Jedi usually are rare and singular individuals, and there has never been, to my knowledge, an entire organization of specifically Gray Jedi, and so, are not a force-using group one can call upon.

I would rather be the head of my own non-force user army and not lead a bunch of Force users who are either preoccupied with idealism or ambition. That way, I rule all.

None of the above. I'd rather have top-notch officers and NCOs who know how to fight a war, backed by superior firepower.

Imperial Knights- Jedi who do what they're told by the Emperor, none of this sit around and talk about it, though it does help that Emperor Fel was an Imperial Knight as well, so he could 'Reflect on the Force'.

If I have only the choice between Jedi and Sith, I'll take the Sith (and get rid of them as soon as possible). With the Sith I know that sooner or later they're going to betray me, with the Jedi I'll never know, if they turn against me for some obscure "will of the Force".

Of course the logical thing to do is to get my own army of Force-users as long as I have the time.

Heh.....about the Dark Side thing, IIRC doesn't Luke realize at Zonama Sekot or something close to the end of the Vong War, that there is no 'dark side' and it's the person's 'goodness' or 'evilness' that affects the force.

Warsie wrote:Heh.....about the Dark Side thing, IIRC doesn't Luke realize at Zonama Sekot or something close to the end of the Vong War, that there is no 'dark side' and it's the person's 'goodness' or 'evilness' that affects the force.

Yeah, that would be faux-postmodernist EU authors coming in and deciding that they didn't really like the whole epic 'good versus evil' and 'manifest destiny' themes in SW.