StarDestroyer.Net BBS

I know that the movies are incontrovertible canon. What comes after the movies? Are novels or tech manuals next in line in terms of canon?

Movies, Scripts & Novelizations, Radio Dramas then EU in that order.....

Movies
Screenplays
Radio Dramas
Novelizations

In that order. These are the only canon. Everything else is official- part of the continuity, but overriden if they contradict canon.

dont forget the comics

comics aren't canon unless Lucas has flipped his lid.

Vympel wrote:Movies
Screenplays
Radio Dramas
Novelizations

In that order. These are the only canon. Everything else is official- part of the continuity, but overriden if they contradict canon.

It's:

Films
Scripts
Novelisations
Radio Dramas

In that order.

Ah, thanks, been trying to get this list for months now.

My brother said Episode II was wrong, because of the Death Star plans. He said that Lemelisk designed it

TrekWarsie wrote:I know that the movies are incontrovertible canon. What comes after the movies? Are novels or tech manuals next in line in terms of canon?

Its:
-His Divine Shadow
-George Lucas
-Movies
-Novellisations
-Scripts
-Radio Plays
-Official works connected to a movie(ICS, VD)
-EU Novels
-EU comics and techbooks
-other shit

Vorlon1701 wrote:My brother said Episode II was wrong, because of the Death Star plans. He said that Lemelisk designed it

He did, but Episode II wasn't wrong either

His Divine Shadow wrote:

TrekWarsie wrote:I know that the movies are incontrovertible canon. What comes after the movies? Are novels or tech manuals next in line in terms of canon?

Its:
-His Divine Shadow
-George Lucas
-Movies
-Novellisations
-Scripts
-Radio Plays
-Official works connected to a movie(ICS, VD)
-EU Novels
-EU comics and techbooks
-other shit

I'm not sure about having Lucas above the other stuff. I don't think his word has much weight until it is actually in something.

neoolong wrote:

His Divine Shadow wrote:

TrekWarsie wrote:I know that the movies are incontrovertible canon. What comes after the movies? Are novels or tech manuals next in line in terms of canon?

Its:
-His Divine Shadow
-George Lucas
-Movies
-Novellisations
-Scripts
-Radio Plays
-Official works connected to a movie(ICS, VD)
-EU Novels
-EU comics and techbooks
-other shit

I'm not sure about having Lucas above the other stuff. I don't think his word has much weight until it is actually in something.

Well it hardly matters since if I don't like it, I can void it.

Which is greater in terms of canon, something that appears in a tech manual or in an EU novel?

TrekWarsie wrote:Which is greater in terms of canon, something that appears in a tech manual or in an EU novel?

Depends on the tech manual, AOTC:ICS and AOTC:VD for example are higher on the scale than EU novels since they are closer to the movies.

The Essential Guides are not very close to the movies, nor are the books, so I would guess they are equal.

Vorlon1701 wrote:Ah, thanks, been trying to get this list for months now.

My brother said Episode II was wrong, because of the Death Star plans. He said that Lemelisk designed it

He did, but not the whole thing. He was one of the contractors.

His Divine Shadow wrote:Depends on the tech manual, AOTC:ICS and AOTC:VD for example are higher on the scale than EU novels since they are closer to the movies.

The Essential Guides are not very close to the movies, nor are the books, so I would guess they are equal.

I don't really think you can make exceptions in the canonocity heirarchy concerning official material, ie-just because the ICS is better than the EGTVV you can rate one higher-up than the other.

Since there is no official list for levels of oficialdom, I just figured it would go something like this:

Novels
Comics
Sourcebooks
WEG and other RPGs
Video Games

I know that games are part of official, but not game mechanics and stuff, but what about Force Heal? It is also mentioned in the books, but does it exist in the canon?

I mean, in TPM and AOTC Force Heal would have come in handy during the Darth Maul fight and for the Count Dooku battle. So does it exist or do they not know it or does it not exist or are they just dumb?

Force Heal can't repair severed limbs or a fatal blow. It presumably only works on minor wounds, and to restore stamina and energy.

Notice that Qui-Gon did indeed go into a meditative trance during the Maul battle. This is probably something akin to Force Heal; it regained his focus and restored his energy.

EDIT: In the Dooku battle, I'd guess that Obi could in theory have used some sort of Force Heal for his wounds, as they were not too serious. It's likely that he was simply too exhausted from the other events of the day, including the battle and wound. Also, Dooku could be dampening Obi-Wan's control of the Force. Additionally, Obi-Wan may not even know this trick at this point. We know that he knows something like it by the time of ANH, as he brings Luke back from unconsciousness (similar to JKO's multiplayer power of "Team Heal").
Really, the disuse of the power isn't that big a deal. Since the EU says it exists, and the movies don't contradict that, then it exists.

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:I don't really think you can make exceptions in the canonocity heirarchy concerning official material, ie-just because the ICS is better than the EGTVV you can rate one higher-up than the other.

No, you can according to LFL policy.
The further away from the movies the less accurate they are, the ICS and VD are works based directly on the movies, hence are much closer to the "truth" than EU novels or sourcebooks that have nothing to do with the movies.

His Divine Shadow wrote:No, you can according to LFL policy.
The further away from the movies the less accurate they are, the ICS and VD are works based directly on the movies, hence are much closer to the "truth" than EU novels or sourcebooks that have nothing to do with the movies.

Ah, I see, nevermind then.

Robert Treder wrote:Force Heal can't repair severed limbs or a fatal blow. It presumably only works on minor wounds, and to restore stamina and energy.

Notice that Qui-Gon did indeed go into a meditative trance during the Maul battle. This is probably something akin to Force Heal; it regained his focus and restored his energy.

EDIT: In the Dooku battle, I'd guess that Obi could in theory have used some sort of Force Heal for his wounds, as they were not too serious. It's likely that he was simply too exhausted from the other events of the day, including the battle and wound. Also, Dooku could be dampening Obi-Wan's control of the Force. Additionally, Obi-Wan may not even know this trick at this point. We know that he knows something like it by the time of ANH, as he brings Luke back from unconsciousness (similar to JKO's multiplayer power of "Team Heal").
Really, the disuse of the power isn't that big a deal. Since the EU says it exists, and the movies don't contradict that, then it exists.

I was wondering, because it never seemed really clear what Force Heal could do.

The real ability of Heal is the ability to keep on going unimpeded from glancing wounds and have remarkably quick recovery times from even incapacitating wounds.

However, Vision of the Future indicates it isn't magic; it takes several days to heal wounds that might otherwise take weeks. But Obi-Wan was out for the battle.

Darkstar and Mike Wong's fan fics are the highest, second only to the "Infinities" comic series.

Followed by all of the Star Wars based video games and RPGs,

The Star Wars Holiday Special is the next highest canon,

Then the Droids & Ewoks Cartoons and all the comics.

Then the novels, especially the works of KJA and Mike Stackpole and Timothy Zahn.

Finally, anything George Lucas wrote, the screenplays, the radio dramas and the novelisations of the movies.

Last, but not least, are the films themselves, the lowest canon.











Oops! Reverse it. ; )