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Would a Carrack or a Lancer be able to manuever in an atmophere?

IG-88E wrote:Would a Carrack or a Lancer be able to manuever in an atmophere?

I guess it would depend if they had repulsors and if they did, if they had the proper amount/capacity/arrangment to manuver in atmosphere.

Larger examples of craft (ie. Tradefed lander, Acclamator, cargo ship inAotC) have been seen landing on a planet which would involve atmosphere manuvering of one sort or another.

The question would be it they were intended to go into a atmosphere, if so, the technology of the SW galaxy can easily have a ship of the size of a Carrack or Lancer enter the atmosphere.

Considering, they can manuver a VSD into atmosphere, more than likely those ships would at least hold up. Whether or not they have the equipment to get in and out is anothe story altogether.

A Carrack-class cruiser has entered the atmosphere. In Heir to the Empire, a cloaked cruiser enters Ukio's atmosphere, underneath the planetary shield, to allow Thrawn to deceive the defenders into believing he had starship weapons that could penetrate the shields. A Lancer class cruiser is probably more than capable of going into the atmosphere, as its engines allow the ship to be nearly as fast as starfighters, but it would almost certainly be incapable of landing.

Master of Ossus wrote:A Lancer class cruiser is probably more than capable of going into the atmosphere, as its engines allow the ship to be nearly as fast as starfighters, but it would almost certainly be incapable of landing.

1. Wrong about the speed. According to the EStV&V, the Carrack is the one that fast.

2. If a Lancer can't land (I'm inclined to agree with you) do you think a Carrack could?

IG-88E wrote:

Master of Ossus wrote:A Lancer class cruiser is probably more than capable of going into the atmosphere, as its engines allow the ship to be nearly as fast as starfighters, but it would almost certainly be incapable of landing.

1. Wrong about the speed. According to the EStV&V, the Carrack is the one that fast.

2. If a Lancer can't land (I'm inclined to agree with you) do you think a Carrack could?

2. No, it can't. Has those TIE fighter racks on the bottom.

StarshipTitanic wrote:

IG-88E wrote: 2. If a Lancer can't land (I'm inclined to agree with you) do you think a Carrack could?

2. No, it can't. Has those TIE fighter racks on the bottom.

An Acclimator has its hangar bay on the bottom, but it's landing gear go past that. Is it possible that the Carrack can pull in the racks?

IG-88E wrote:

Master of Ossus wrote:A Lancer class cruiser is probably more than capable of going into the atmosphere, as its engines allow the ship to be nearly as fast as starfighters, but it would almost certainly be incapable of landing.

1. Wrong about the speed. According to the EStV&V, the Carrack is the one that fast.

What prevents both ships from being that fast? All the sources say that the Lancer is fast enough to hunt down Y-Wings, but not fast enough to hunt down fleeing X-Wings. This indicates that it is somewhere between the two.

The Lancer was designed to engage fighters. It would make sense that it's fast enough to chase down fighters. After all, you can't engage what you can't catch.

Master of Ossus wrote:What prevents both ships from being that fast? All the sources say that the Lancer is fast enough to hunt down Y-Wings, but not fast enough to hunt down fleeing X-Wings. This indicates that it is somewhere between the two.

The Essential Guide To Vehicles and Vessels wrote:Another drawback is that Lancers are slow at sublight speeds, so Rebel fighters with a small lead were often able to outrun the ships.

Implies a fairly slow speed.

Master of Ossus wrote:What prevents both ships from being that fast? All the sources say that the Lancer is fast enough to hunt down Y-Wings, but not fast enough to hunt down fleeing X-Wings. This indicates that it is somewhere between the two.

Not all source, apparently, some say it's actually faster than that. From the EGTV&V: "However the ship has powerful sublight engines that give it the speed of an X-Wing fighter, making it one of the fastest cruisers in the Imperial fleet." -P. 16

IG-88E wrote:

The Essential Guide To Vehicles and Vessels wrote:Another drawback is that Lancers are slow at sublight speeds, so Rebel fighters with a small lead were often able to outrun the ships.

Implies a fairly slow speed.

It does not say that.

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Not all source, apparently, some say it's actually faster than that. From the EGTV&V: "However the ship has powerful sublight engines that give it the speed of an X-Wing fighter, making it one of the fastest cruisers in the Imperial fleet." -P. 16

That's for the CARRACK.

It does not say that.

It does. I'm looking at it right now.

IG-88E wrote:That's for the CARRACK.

Oops, didn't notice the subject change, my apologies, the word "lancer" in the passage escaped me.

It does. I'm looking at it right now.

Agin my apologies. How embarrasing.

Of course.

IG-88E wrote:

Master of Ossus wrote:What prevents both ships from being that fast? All the sources say that the Lancer is fast enough to hunt down Y-Wings, but not fast enough to hunt down fleeing X-Wings. This indicates that it is somewhere between the two.

The Essential Guide To Vehicles and Vessels wrote:Another drawback is that Lancers are slow at sublight speeds, so Rebel fighters with a small lead were often able to outrun the ships.

Implies a fairly slow speed.

It implies an inadequate speed for their job. It does NOT indicate a slow sublight speed compared to other capital starships.

Master of Ossus wrote:It implies an inadequate speed for their job. It does NOT indicate a slow sublight speed compared to other capital starships.

I never claimed it did. I meant compared to the fighters, it implies a slow speed.

IG-88E wrote:

Master of Ossus wrote:It implies an inadequate speed for their job. It does NOT indicate a slow sublight speed compared to other capital starships.

I never claimed it did. I meant compared to the fighters, it implies a slow speed.

Okay, and this means nothing in the context of this debate, seeing as how starfighters have significantly greater thrust than many airspeeders in SW. Frankly, any SW capital ship MUST be able to go atmospheric, so long as its hull can withstand the flames, because its engines provide thrust WELL into the hundreds of g's. It only takes a little more than one sustained g of acceleration to escape Earth's gravity.

The Carrack is clocked by WEG to 1050 Kph in air. They also claim that the Lancer can't go atmospheric.

Personally, I think just about any ship should be able to go atmospheric, an ISD did it in DE2.

IG-88E wrote:

StarshipTitanic wrote:

IG-88E wrote: 2. If a Lancer can't land (I'm inclined to agree with you) do you think a Carrack could?

2. No, it can't. Has those TIE fighter racks on the bottom.

An Acclimator has its hangar bay on the bottom, but it's landing gear go past that. Is it possible that the Carrack can pull in the racks?

If at all, maybe they could land in special berths. Actualy though, why would you want a "small" cruiser or frigate to be able to land on a planet? The space required for the repulor lifts could be used for other purposes such as power and/or weapons. Neither the Lancer or the Carrack are renowned for carring troops or cargo so why would they need such an ability? I submit that while it is feesable for someone to equip a Carrack or Lancer with the equipment nessecary to land on a planet, the roles that the ships perform do not require the equipment.

Master of Ossus wrote:A Carrack-class cruiser has entered the atmosphere. In Heir to the Empire, a cloaked cruiser enters Ukio's atmosphere, underneath the planetary shield, to allow Thrawn to deceive the defenders into believing he had starship weapons that could penetrate the shields. A Lancer class cruiser is probably more than capable of going into the atmosphere, as its engines allow the ship to be nearly as fast as starfighters, but it would almost certainly be incapable of landing.

I think it was two Strike Cruiser...

Boba Fett wrote:

Master of Ossus wrote:A Carrack-class cruiser has entered the atmosphere. In Heir to the Empire, a cloaked cruiser enters Ukio's atmosphere, underneath the planetary shield, to allow Thrawn to deceive the defenders into believing he had starship weapons that could penetrate the shields. A Lancer class cruiser is probably more than capable of going into the atmosphere, as its engines allow the ship to be nearly as fast as starfighters, but it would almost certainly be incapable of landing.

I think it was two Strike Cruiser...

First of all, the attack on Ukio took place in The Last Command.

I don't have it with me right now, but I specifically remember it being said that the cloaked ships were probably Carracks during a New Republic briefing later in the book.

He is right. Drayson notes that the distance between where the turbolaser beam from the Chimaera impacts the shield and where another is fired from an invisable source is just right for a Carrack-class Picket Ship.

Also when Mrs Solo visits the wookie homeworld she notes the landing platform is large enough to accomodate something as large as a Strike Cruiser. THis seems to imply such a thing was a regular occurance and if a Strike Cruiser can then so can a Lancer. It's mearly a matter of repulsors.

DG_Cal_Wright wrote:Considering, they can manuver a VSD into atmosphere, more than likely those ships would at least hold up. Whether or not they have the equipment to get in and out is anothe story altogether.

Oh, given the amount of abuse their shields and hulls can take, I'd have to think just about any SW ship has the ability to get in to the atmosphere. And probably out of it too. Probably even on raw engine power. (Granted it wouldn't be very healthy for the bits of the planet directly beneath the engines.)

Can a SW capital ship get off the ground once it got there though? Probably not. The energy of the impact would liquefy the ground, trapping the ship in it.