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Gods in Star Wars...

Posted: 2003-01-23 02:53pm
by DocHorror
Is there a pantheon of Gods in SW or is the Force it?

Is their a galactic religion?

Re: Gods in Star Wars...

Posted: 2003-01-23 03:14pm
by Crayz9000
I'll bet that the closest to a galactic religion you'll find is the Jedi Order.

Otherwise, religions are far too localized to be widespread across the galaxy. Most are isolated to a single planet, although there are a few exceptions, like the scheme that the Hutts used to lure people to Ylesia.

Re: Gods in Star Wars...

Posted: 2003-01-23 04:01pm
by Cpt_Frank
Crayz9000 wrote:I'll bet that the closest to a galactic religion you'll find is the Jedi Order.

Otherwise, religions are far too localized to be widespread across the galaxy. Most are isolated to a single planet, although there are a few exceptions, like the scheme that the Hutts used to lure people to Ylesia.
What's the standard human religion btw? a belief in the force?

Re: Gods in Star Wars...

Posted: 2003-01-23 04:14pm
by johnmarkley
Cpt_Frank wrote:
Crayz9000 wrote:I'll bet that the closest to a galactic religion you'll find is the Jedi Order.

Otherwise, religions are far too localized to be widespread across the galaxy. Most are isolated to a single planet, although there are a few exceptions, like the scheme that the Hutts used to lure people to Ylesia.
What's the standard human religion btw? a belief in the force?
That doesn't seem likely. It's been a while since I've seen the movie, but wasn't Luke pretty ignorant of what the Force was when he first met Kenobi?

Re: Gods in Star Wars...

Posted: 2003-01-23 04:16pm
by neoolong
johnmarkley wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote:
Crayz9000 wrote:I'll bet that the closest to a galactic religion you'll find is the Jedi Order.

Otherwise, religions are far too localized to be widespread across the galaxy. Most are isolated to a single planet, although there are a few exceptions, like the scheme that the Hutts used to lure people to Ylesia.
What's the standard human religion btw? a belief in the force?
That doesn't seem likely. It's been a while since I've seen the movie, but wasn't Luke pretty ignorant of what the Force was when he first met Kenobi?
He might mean in the PT. Of course, I doubt that it is the standard religion. Since related usage and "worship" only occurs for force users, it doesn't seem to be a standard religion.

Posted: 2003-01-23 04:25pm
by Slartibartfast
It's interesting how the phrase "May the Force be with you" is so common even between simple soldiers, pilots, etc. Luke of course may be excused because he lives in a little shithole, whose only contact is with other boys who actually get to go to the Imperial Academy (or whatever).

Posted: 2003-01-23 04:31pm
by neoolong
Slartibartfast wrote:It's interesting how the phrase "May the Force be with you" is so common even between simple soldiers, pilots, etc. Luke of course may be excused because he lives in a little shithole, whose only contact is with other boys who actually get to go to the Imperial Academy (or whatever).
Is it? The only time I remember it being used by someone other than Luke, Han, or Obi-Wan, was the old guy at the briefing in ANH.

Posted: 2003-01-23 05:13pm
by DPDarkPrimus
Akbar, Mon Mothma, that commander dude in ESB...

Posted: 2003-01-23 05:37pm
by Lord Pounder
Lukes wee sweetheart in Truce At Bakura had a religon that seems to be based on Extreem Karma. I can't remember the name of it.

Posted: 2003-01-23 05:44pm
by Slartibartfast
DPDarkPrimus wrote:Akbar, Mon Mothma, that commander dude in ESB...
That's right. Hey, it's not like there's a hell of a lot more characters in the OT :)

Anyway, it's more like superstition than established religion. And it's based on stuff that was real 30ish years ago.

Posted: 2003-01-23 07:20pm
by Howedar
Just another form of "good luck" as far as I see it.

Re: Gods in Star Wars...

Posted: 2003-01-23 07:27pm
by Master of Ossus
DocHorror wrote:Is there a pantheon of Gods in SW or is the Force it?

Is their a galactic religion?
Most of the major planets and species in Star Wars have their own religion or group of religions.

Posted: 2003-01-23 07:42pm
by Kuja
Well, there is evidence of a heaven and hell concept:


Worker: "You're tauntaun'll feeze to death before the first marker!"

Han: "Then I'll see you in Hell!"

Posted: 2003-01-24 10:29pm
by Sardaukar
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side."

Posted: 2003-01-24 10:37pm
by Ender
In one of the Dark Forces Graphic Novels (the second one) the Captain of the ISD prays to his gods during the battle. In the BFC books, General washisface has a religion and recites a battle prayer. The Yevetha, Vong, Hutts, Ssi-ruuk, and Trandoshans all have religions.

And the Force clearly can't be a religion, a religion requires faith, and you can't have faith in something you can observe to be true. It's knowledge if you know it.

Posted: 2003-01-24 10:45pm
by Illuminatus Primus
I'd say most of the galactic population appear to be atheists.

Posted: 2003-01-24 10:49pm
by Raptor 597
The hole Han thing was reviewed a few months ago. While, he he may sell doesn't mean he has too believe in it. I often say Hell Hell and and i'm an atheist.

Posted: 2003-01-24 10:50pm
by Darth Garden Gnome
Illuminatus Primus wrote:I'd say most of the galactic population appear to be atheists.
The majority of the HUMAN population seem to be atheist (excluding 'Force worship'), meanwhile each alien is reduced to a one note joke with their messed up religions-ie Transoshans must go and kill people to score jaggath points for the "ScoreKeeprer" Wookies are bound by a life debt to anybody who saves their hide. Ssi-Ruuvis, Vong, and Yevetha are just xenophobics who consider any other species "infedels" or "vermin" or the like, ect.

Posted: 2003-01-24 10:54pm
by Kuja
Captain Lennox wrote:The hole Han thing was reviewed a few months ago. While, he he may sell doesn't mean he has too believe in it. I often say Hell Hell and and i'm an atheist.
I'm not saying HAN is religious, I'm just saying that there's obviously a fairly widespread concept for it to stick in the language like that.

Posted: 2003-01-25 01:27pm
by Lord Pounder
What the hell was Han meant to say then? Don't forget that Lucas was permitting a lot of ad-libbing at the time and this may have been one of them. It was a good line and fits in. Leave it be.

Posted: 2003-01-25 01:33pm
by kojikun
the force is a scientific phenomena not a religious article of belief.

Posted: 2003-01-25 02:02pm
by neoolong
Just remembered, Jar Jar mentions gods in reference to his life debt to Qui-Gon in TPM.

Posted: 2003-01-25 06:00pm
by Exonerate
neoolong wrote:Just remembered, Jar Jar mentions gods in reference to his life debt to Qui-Gon in TPM.
Yes, but Jar Jar wasn't exactly exposed to Galactic Civilization... It seems that most religions are confined to a single race or area.

Posted: 2003-01-25 06:09pm
by neoolong
Exonerate wrote:
neoolong wrote:Just remembered, Jar Jar mentions gods in reference to his life debt to Qui-Gon in TPM.
Yes, but Jar Jar wasn't exactly exposed to Galactic Civilization... It seems that most religions are confined to a single race or area.
I know. Just thought it was worth mentioning.

Posted: 2003-01-25 10:56pm
by Kurgan
The way I see it, the "Force" while, it exists as a measurable concept in the scientific world has beliefs ABOUT it that are religious in nature, ie: the Jedi vs. the Sith approach to the Force.

Who is right? Perhaps the Surgeon General of the Republic says that practice of the Dark Side of the Force can be hazardous to one's health.

; )

It seems that a general distrust or superstitious aura surrounds the Force in the Empire's era of the classic trilogy. Only the Rebels, who maintain a memory of it from the Old Republic's rose-colored history seem to value it.

It could have something to do with the falling out of favor of the Jedi Order, the fact that they are all but extinct (allowing rumors to grow unchecked) and that the Dark Side is now in control. Information could be suppressed, etc.

There's no evidence (other than perhaps the EU) that Dark Side users are actively recruited from the galactic populance like the Jedi did with their Light Side initiates into the Order.

Perhaps, as others have suggested, religions are usually a planet-wide or even species specific phenomena. Though, personally, I see the "Force" as a metaphor for the spiritual world (a pan-religious viewopint, addressed as "good" and "evil" forces, rather than one specific religion).

Even among the Jedi, there seem to be divergences of opinion as to how one responds to this "Force" as well. In the EU there's more variety among Force sensitives as well, as to what constitutes the "right way" to use the powers it can grant, while others are simply afraid of it and avoid it whever possible.

Could the Force be a "God"? The trouble is, life supposedly "creates it" and "makes it grow." But then supposedly "life could not exist" without it. A "chicken" vs. "egg" problem.

Is it really an "energy field" as described by Obi-Wan? (ie: not matter, but energy) And if so, was it created with the universe? Or is this just an interpretation of something that is much more difficult to categorize?