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So, on another forum someone mentioned that he's not going to get the next star wars game that comes out because of the inconsistancies in the franchise. He feels that Lucas has pretty much been pulling the story from his ass I guess. Now, when I asked him about the inconsistancies to see if they were just little nitpicky things, I got this:

like Obi Wan telling Luke "When I first met your father he was already a great pilot." He was good pod racer but wasn't exactly Tom Cruise from Top Gun in the Naboo fighter. It was odd that Uncle Owen didn't recall C3PO or R2D2. R2D2 didn't have his memory wiped yet he never mentioned what happened in Episodes 1 thru 3 to Luke or C3P0. Obi Wan and Anakin's battle. Darth Taranus (Dooku) tossed Obi-Wan aside like a rag doll and Anakin beat him with little effort in Episode 3. Yet he had trouble with Obi-Wan and lost to him in the very same movie. There are a lot of things. I'd suggest hitting up fan site, thats all I remember off the top of my head.

Now, that was after he told me to do my own research, which I thought was lame. I wanted to know what inconsistancies he thought were an issue. Not what he reads from Star Wars fan sites.

Now, I like SW...but are those valid inconsistancies? Maybe there's some backstory that was explained elsewhere in the movies that may have been overlooked...

There are inconsistencies, but the ones he uses as examples are really trivial. The boy was a good pilot, both droids were generic enough models to be unmemorable and both Jedi went through their own evolution between AOtC and RotS.

The bigger issues are the Vader/Obi/Anakin dynamic, the dramatic shifts in tone between the story and how it was retold, the dodgy chronology of the whole thing and the way the prequels bent plausibility to squeeze all the OT's disjointed hints into a workable story.

like Obi Wan telling Luke "When I first met your father he was already a great pilot." He was good pod racer but wasn't exactly Tom Cruise from Top Gun in the Naboo fighter.

Podracers are also called pilots of their vehicles. Also, the "first met" could have just included all the events of the movie. And it's fairly good piloting when you manage to not only land unscathed in a cargo bay at very high speeds, but also manage to escape a very large explosion, not to mention that he avoided taking any damage from laser fire.

It was odd that Uncle Owen didn't recall C3PO or R2D2. R2D2 didn't have his memory wiped yet he never mentioned what happened in Episodes 1 thru 3 to Luke or C3P0.

He was told to protect Luke from his past, which is why he was never allowed to leave Tatooine. It's almost certain that Obi-Wan informed him not to reveal anything. And there's likely other models of 3P0 droid and R2 units with the same paintjobs. And didn't Owen never seen Threepio with his golden sheen?

. Darth Taranus (Dooku) tossed Obi-Wan aside like a rag doll and Anakin beat him with little effort in Episode 3. Yet he had trouble with Obi-Wan and lost to him in the very same movie.

Aside from not knowing Dooku's Sith name in the first place, the ability to lose to someone in a battle and beat him in the next is not an inconsistency.

Dooku besting Obi, then Anakin killing Dooku, then Obi beating Anaking, is not an inconsistency at all. It's largely a matter of style and specific strengths when it comes to lightsaber combat. It just so worked out the way it did because of their specific abilities and the way they fit together in each seperate fight.

I know this has been touched on, but Anakin was the only human being with the ability to Podrace, and to not only survive, but to win a major race should qualify him as a great pilot, especially at his age.

Well, all the stuff he pointed out have already been explained by other here, the only inconsistency I never got, was how Han got from Hoth to Bespin, with no Hyperdrive. Can someone field this one?

This guy on the other forum mentions he's not going to get the next Star Wars game because of inconsistencies in the franchise?

Well, okay.

Darth Ruinus wrote:Well, all the stuff he pointed out have already been explained by other here, the only inconsistency I never got, was how Han got from Hoth to Bespin, with no Hyperdrive. Can someone field this one?

It's covered somewhere on stardestroyer.net, I think.

Either Han managed to jury-rig limited hyperdrive functionality back during the trip (sort of like how the Queen's yacht in TPM was "leaking", and had very limited range).
The alternate solution is an elegant one: Bespin was not that far from Hoth, and they reached it in sublight. The best part is that this allows them to have travelled several months in sublight, meaning that Luke spent several months in Jedi training with Yoda during this time, rather than days/weeks.

Cykeisme wrote:This guy on the other forum mentions he's not going to get the next Star Wars game because of inconsistencies in the franchise?

Well, okay.

Darth Ruinus wrote:Well, all the stuff he pointed out have already been explained by other here, the only inconsistency I never got, was how Han got from Hoth to Bespin, with no Hyperdrive. Can someone field this one?

It's covered somewhere on stardestroyer.net, I think.

Either Han managed to jury-rig limited hyperdrive functionality back during the trip (sort of like how the Queen's yacht in TPM was "leaking", and had very limited range).
The alternate solution is an elegant one: Bespin was not that far from Hoth, and they reached it in sublight. The best part is that this allows them to have travelled several months in sublight, meaning that Luke spent several months in Jedi training with Yoda during this time, rather than days/weeks.

I think this what all the folks here generally subscribe to. I also don't think it is refuted anywhere.
"It's pretty far, but I think we can make it." I always took that to mean that it is going to push the limits of their supplies but if they ration they will be ok.

Darth Taranus (Dooku) tossed Obi-Wan aside like a rag doll and Anakin beat him with little effort in Episode 3. Yet he had trouble with Obi-Wan and lost to him in the very same movie.

Obi-wan wasn't exactly fresh for the Dooku fight. He had been through a space battle, a fight with droids, more droids, and was pretty tired by the time he got to Dooku. On the other hand, he had plenty of restful time to prepare for his fight with Anakin while stowed away aboard Padme's yacht. Also as mentioned before, Dooku was an experienced duelist, who had trained Obi-Wan's master. He knows Obi-Wan's fighting style too well.

Darwin wrote:

Darth Taranus (Dooku) tossed Obi-Wan aside like a rag doll and Anakin beat him with little effort in Episode 3. Yet he had trouble with Obi-Wan and lost to him in the very same movie.

Obi-wan wasn't exactly fresh for the Dooku fight. He had been through a space battle, a fight with droids, more droids, and was pretty tired by the time he got to Dooku. On the other hand, he had plenty of restful time to prepare for his fight with Anakin while stowed away aboard Padme's yacht. Also as mentioned before, Dooku was an experienced duelist, who had trained Obi-Wan's master. He knows Obi-Wan's fighting style too well.

Dooku just had Obi-Wan's number. It happens sometimes. And Anakin didn't have trouble with Obi-Wan in the sense that Obi-Wan was kicking his ass, he had trouble with him in the sense that Obi-Wan was merely fighting to stay alive. He knew he couldn't beat Anakin and fought him to a stalemate using the knowledge of everything that HE thought him until he finally did something stupid. Like Data did with that guy in TNG with the finger wired game.

havokeff wrote:

Cykeisme wrote:This guy on the other forum mentions he's not going to get the next Star Wars game because of inconsistencies in the franchise?

Well, okay.

Darth Ruinus wrote:Well, all the stuff he pointed out have already been explained by other here, the only inconsistency I never got, was how Han got from Hoth to Bespin, with no Hyperdrive. Can someone field this one?

It's covered somewhere on stardestroyer.net, I think.

Either Han managed to jury-rig limited hyperdrive functionality back during the trip (sort of like how the Queen's yacht in TPM was "leaking", and had very limited range).
The alternate solution is an elegant one: Bespin was not that far from Hoth, and they reached it in sublight. The best part is that this allows them to have travelled several months in sublight, meaning that Luke spent several months in Jedi training with Yoda during this time, rather than days/weeks.

I think this what all the folks here generally subscribe to. I also don't think it is refuted anywhere.
"It's pretty far, but I think we can make it." I always took that to mean that it is going to push the limits of their supplies but if they ration they will be ok.

There is one more option, as the Falcon carries a x10 backup hyperdrive. Backups like this are slow, can seldom jump more than once, and have limited range. I prefer the sublight trip, though...

I think it would be more believable that they kicked in the backup rather than put the throttle to max and make their way, especially considering that someone would probably have to be at the controls to avoid any asteroids, debris, or pirates. Does the Falcon have an autopilot that can avoid objects?

chitoryu12 wrote:I think it would be more believable that they kicked in the backup rather than put the throttle to max and make their way, especially considering that someone would probably have to be at the controls to avoid any asteroids, debris, or pirates. Does the Falcon have an autopilot that can avoid objects?

Im pretty sure that asteroids, debris are easy to avoid.

BTW, would there be any pirates? I would assume they are evading the Empire, and as such pirates would stay away, and Han doesnt seem to have trouble sneaking past the Empire.

Maybe.

Max wrote:So, on another forum someone mentioned that he's not going to get the next star wars game that comes out because of the inconsistancies in the franchise. He feels that Lucas has pretty much been pulling the story from his ass I guess. Now, when I asked him about the inconsistancies to see if they were just little nitpicky things, I got this:
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Why does he expect the story to be perfect? It's a story that was told over a period of almost thirty years, in six episodes. Given that fact, it's really quite consistent. Much more consistent than Star Trek, or the Bible.

Darth Wong wrote:

Max wrote:So, on another forum someone mentioned that he's not going to get the next star wars game that comes out because of the inconsistancies in the franchise. He feels that Lucas has pretty much been pulling the story from his ass I guess. Now, when I asked him about the inconsistancies to see if they were just little nitpicky things, I got this:
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Why does he expect the story to be perfect? It's a story that was told over a period of almost thirty years, in six episodes. Given that fact, it's really quite consistent. Much more consistent than Star Trek, or the Bible.

That is sig worthy.

It's closer to 40 years though isn't it?

Darth Ruinus wrote:

chitoryu12 wrote:I think it would be more believable that they kicked in the backup rather than put the throttle to max and make their way, especially considering that someone would probably have to be at the controls to avoid any asteroids, debris, or pirates. Does the Falcon have an autopilot that can avoid objects?

Im pretty sure that asteroids, debris are easy to avoid.

BTW, would there be any pirates? I would assume they are evading the Empire, and as such pirates would stay away, and Han doesnt seem to have trouble sneaking past the Empire.

Maybe.

Bespin and Hoth were in the outer rim. Pirates mostly flock there to avoid Imperial patrols. And debris would be easy to avoid if there was a pilot at the controls. Flying a ship for months would be exhausting even with shifts. An autopilot would be more plausible, or the use of the backup hyperdrive.

Max wrote:So, on another forum someone mentioned that he's not going to get the next star wars game that comes out because of the inconsistancies in the franchise. He feels that Lucas has pretty much been pulling the story from his ass I guess. Now, when I asked him about the inconsistancies to see if they were just little nitpicky things, I got this:

like Obi Wan telling Luke "When I first met your father he was already a great pilot." He was good pod racer but wasn't exactly Tom Cruise from Top Gun in the Naboo fighter. It was odd that Uncle Owen didn't recall C3PO or R2D2. R2D2 didn't have his memory wiped yet he never mentioned what happened in Episodes 1 thru 3 to Luke or C3P0. Obi Wan and Anakin's battle. Darth Taranus (Dooku) tossed Obi-Wan aside like a rag doll and Anakin beat him with little effort in Episode 3. Yet he had trouble with Obi-Wan and lost to him in the very same movie. There are a lot of things. I'd suggest hitting up fan site, thats all I remember off the top of my head.

Now, that was after he told me to do my own research, which I thought was lame. I wanted to know what inconsistancies he thought were an issue. Not what he reads from Star Wars fan sites.

Now, I like SW...but are those valid inconsistancies? Maybe there's some backstory that was explained elsewhere in the movies that may have been overlooked...

1. Obi Wan mental image like everyone else in time, space and existence changed. So his absolute first memory of Anakin may not at all be what he was telling Luke, but what he best knew of Anakin at first, and from tales his master told him of the boy.

2. Uncle Owen had never seen R2, and he's going to remember a droid after 20+ years? You should ask the person, does he remember a random car in perfect detail that he owned for a couple of years.

3. Given the way 3P0 talks of R2, R2 could've told him the entire tale, and goldenrod would've likely thought the idiot blew a fuse.

As for others? Yeah, Luke is going to accept R2 is telling him the unaltered truth.

4. Obi Wan beat Anakin because he used Anakin's arrogance against him. Something the idiot should remember given Ben's warning before Anakin's near fatal leap.

All in all, I've seen this type of yaboo before, and really they are nitpicking to nitpick.

chitoryu12 wrote:

Darth Ruinus wrote:

chitoryu12 wrote:I think it would be more believable that they kicked in the backup rather than put the throttle to max and make their way, especially considering that someone would probably have to be at the controls to avoid any asteroids, debris, or pirates. Does the Falcon have an autopilot that can avoid objects?

Im pretty sure that asteroids, debris are easy to avoid.

BTW, would there be any pirates? I would assume they are evading the Empire, and as such pirates would stay away, and Han doesnt seem to have trouble sneaking past the Empire.

Maybe.

Bespin and Hoth were in the outer rim. Pirates mostly flock there to avoid Imperial patrols. And debris would be easy to avoid if there was a pilot at the controls. Flying a ship for months would be exhausting even with shifts. An autopilot would be more plausible, or the use of the backup hyperdrive.

What I mean is, I would assume that there is an Imperial presence that that is looking for Han, and as such, pirates would stay out of that area at that particular time.

Darth Ruinus wrote:

chitoryu12 wrote:

Darth Ruinus wrote: Im pretty sure that asteroids, debris are easy to avoid.

BTW, would there be any pirates? I would assume they are evading the Empire, and as such pirates would stay away, and Han doesnt seem to have trouble sneaking past the Empire.

Maybe.

Bespin and Hoth were in the outer rim. Pirates mostly flock there to avoid Imperial patrols. And debris would be easy to avoid if there was a pilot at the controls. Flying a ship for months would be exhausting even with shifts. An autopilot would be more plausible, or the use of the backup hyperdrive.

What I mean is, I would assume that there is an Imperial presence that that is looking for Han, and as such, pirates would stay out of that area at that particular time.

How would they know that he was in the area? The most warning they would get is if the Millenium Falcon streaked by them. And there's a chance that not every pirate was informed.

Or that they would recognize the Falcon or even care if they did recognize the Falcon.

There are millions of tramp freighters plying the stars, and the YT-1300 is an old but still common model. I'm sure Han put a lot of effort into making the Falcon not stand out, too.

Dark Flame wrote:Or that they would recognize the Falcon or even care if they did recognize the Falcon.

There are millions of tramp freighters plying the stars, and the YT-1300 is an old but still common model. I'm sure Han put a lot of effort into making the Falcon not stand out, too.

He did. In the Han Solo series (I think it was Rebel Dawn), Han had the carbon scoring and damage kept to the ship to make it look so beat up it wasn't worth examination.

Didn't he have the SW equivalent of multiple fake license plates too?

I personally prefer the backup hyperdrive theory, but that then begs the question why he didn't use it to put some distance between him and the ISD's. Still, it's a lot more plausible than him just happening to be dropped out right on Bespin's doorstep.

Bounty wrote:Didn't he have the SW equivalent of multiple fake license plates too?

I personally prefer the backup hyperdrive theory, but that then begs the question why he didn't use it to put some distance between him and the ISD's. Still, it's a lot more plausible than him just happening to be dropped out right on Bespin's doorstep.

What's wrong with the theory that the Falcon traveled to Bespin just below c thus giving Luke a couple of months on Dagobah?

Mange wrote:

Bounty wrote:Didn't he have the SW equivalent of multiple fake license plates too?

I personally prefer the backup hyperdrive theory, but that then begs the question why he didn't use it to put some distance between him and the ISD's. Still, it's a lot more plausible than him just happening to be dropped out right on Bespin's doorstep.

What's wrong with the theory that the Falcon traveled to Bespin just below c thus giving Luke a couple of months on Dagobah?

How, then, did they get close to Bespin in the first place?

Either this means Bespin is within pissing distance of Hoth, which seems unlikely considering the planet was quite an active starport which you wouldn't want near your remote, hidden base; or the ISD fleet jumped to within sublight range of Bespin to empty the trash, then jumped away again. Both are possible, granted, but likely?

Also, do you really think it's likely that Fett would trail the Falcon for months when he can just set up an Imperial trap at any point along the route? Again, it's not physically impossible, but it's hardly plausible.

Mange wrote:

Bounty wrote:Didn't he have the SW equivalent of multiple fake license plates too?

I personally prefer the backup hyperdrive theory, but that then begs the question why he didn't use it to put some distance between him and the ISD's. Still, it's a lot more plausible than him just happening to be dropped out right on Bespin's doorstep.

What's wrong with the theory that the Falcon traveled to Bespin just below c thus giving Luke a couple of months on Dagobah?

Wait a second. C is Lightspeed correct? Do Star Wars engines gradually speed up to the point where you are traveling 1 mph under the speed of light and you just hit the pedal and poof you go to light speed?

havokeff wrote:

Mange wrote:

Bounty wrote:Didn't he have the SW equivalent of multiple fake license plates too?

I personally prefer the backup hyperdrive theory, but that then begs the question why he didn't use it to put some distance between him and the ISD's. Still, it's a lot more plausible than him just happening to be dropped out right on Bespin's doorstep.

What's wrong with the theory that the Falcon traveled to Bespin just below c thus giving Luke a couple of months on Dagobah?

Wait a second. C is Lightspeed correct? Do Star Wars engines gradually speed up to the point where you are traveling 1 mph under the speed of light and you just hit the pedal and poof you go to light speed?

well as far as I known nothing in Star Wars has removed the Lightspeed barrier, IIRC Hyperdrive bypasses it rather then breaking thru it. So hyperdrive is a bit more complex then just hitting the pedal at just below Lightspeed