StarDestroyer.Net BBS

I know it wouldnt really fit with anything else that he has done but lets assume anyway.

Suppose when he discovers that Palpatine is the Sith Lord that right then and there Anakin decides the only safe action is the eliminate him instantly. Anakin decides that doing anything else will give the Sith a chance to escape or survive.

What happens?

According to the novelization if I remember right Palpatine does not have his saber yet. It is still buried inside a statue and Anakin already has his saber out and activated.

So what happens? Does he get fried in the shortest most one-sided fight in Jedi history or does Palpy get diced?

No arguing that Anakin will at best try to take him alive. Anakin in a fit of actual brains realizes that anything but a dead Palpatine is too dangerous to contemplate.

Anakin gets his ass kicked, gets away and regroups with the remaining Council Members on Coruscant to lay the samackdown on Palpatine after carving through the Shocktroopers.

Probably yes. And then Palpatine have to kill him with Mace and search another apprentice.

General Schatten wrote:Anakin gets his ass kicked, gets away and regroups with the remaining Council Members on Coruscant to lay the samackdown on Palpatine after carving through the Shocktroopers.

I don't know about that. Palpatine was so confident the Anakin wasn't going to do anything, I don't think he would have seen it coming until it's late.

General Schatten wrote:Anakin gets his ass kicked, gets away and regroups with the remaining Council Members on Coruscant to lay the samackdown on Palpatine after carving through the Shocktroopers.

Palpatine in OTL let Anakin put a lightsaber to his throat. He's going to stop Anakin just pushing it forward a bit... how?

KhyronTheBackstabber wrote:I don't know about that. Palpatine was so confident the Anakin wasn't going to do anything, I don't think he would have seen it coming until it's late.

This is likely. Granted, when Vader turned on him at Endor, he had years of Vader under his thumb, but Palpatine sure as Hell did not foresee Vader choosing his family over his master, even though he was quite familiar with how important Vader considers his family to be.

NecronLord wrote:

General Schatten wrote:Anakin gets his ass kicked, gets away and regroups with the remaining Council Members on Coruscant to lay the samackdown on Palpatine after carving through the Shocktroopers.

Palpatine in OTL let Anakin put a lightsaber to his throat. He's going to stop Anakin just pushing it forward a bit... how?

Telekinesis?

Crazedwraith wrote:Telekinesis?

Have we ever seen him do that? (As a matter of fact, we have seen TK used to stop a lightsaber, in the Clone Wars cartoon. The Jedi Master who did it to Grievous was sent flying back by the recoil, one of the few instances where TK has shown conserved momentum. Given that, I don't think it's at all easy to stop a lightsaber with Telekinesis. And that's without someone with Anakin's raw force power possibly attempting to counter it)

Did you miss when Palpy was throwing around half the senate chamber? I'd say he can TK.

drachefly wrote:Did you miss when Palpy was throwing around half the senate chamber? I'd say he can TK.

Vader threw the contents of an entire room at Luke on Bespin yet it didn't seem to mean a damn when Luke was battering down his defenses in ROTJ leading to his losing a hand.

TK in lightsaber combat at least in the movies is a non factor.

drachefly wrote:Did you miss when Palpy was throwing around half the senate chamber? I'd say he can TK.

So can every Jedi. Even the ones that flunk out can do some TK. The point was that we've never seen him apply it to such a use, and in the one occasion we've seen a Jedi try, it went disastrously wrong and sent them flying.

It's rather like 'they've Telekinesis, therefore they can rip their enemies' eyes out and beat them in the goolies with it' arguments that occasionally crop up here. We've never seen them do it we don't know what the limitations are. It may be that they're too dumb to think about it. It may be that the 'Will of the Force' only allows Telekinesis and other powers when dramatically appropriate, it may be that the fact that lightsabers are typically produced in some kind of force trance prevents it. We've never seen them (to my knowledge) steal each other's sabers from their hands, either, which would be quite simple, given that they do it regularly against guns.

Regardless, we've only ever once seen a lightsaber stopped like that, and that was with considerably more warning, a less complacent 'victim' and the guy with the saber having no force powers...

Who says he needs to TK the saber? Just throw Anakin across the room. Simple force push.

We've never seen them (to my knowledge) steal each other's sabers from their hands, either, which would be quite simple, given that they do it regularly against guns.

Actually I think they did that in the EU. Also, weren't Dooku and Asajj fighting a very intense duel and TKing each other like mad?

I don't think it would be hard for Palpatine to TK Anakin. After all, Obi Wan, who was more of a swordfighter than TK-er, used TK to block Anakin, with equal force. Both of them were roughly equal - YET, TK users like Palpatine or Dooku were seen to easily throw Jedi. Dooku threw Obi-Wan like a kittie cat, and Palpatine not only used lightning, but he TK'ed Yoda across the room and against the wall - a user apparently as powerful as himself, and as experienced.

Anakin did not have as much experience and control. So I guess raw power wouldn't have helped, Palpatine would easily deal with this problem.

Stas Bush wrote:Actually I think they did that in the EU. Also, weren't Dooku and Asajj fighting a very intense duel and TKing each other like mad?

You know, I've just been watching that right now, and I have a retraction to make... In any case, while we've seen Telekinesis used to slap people around in duels, we've rarely seen it used to directly stop a lightsaber blow. When Dooku wants to do that in that duel, he interposes pieces of the room's shattered sculptures with Asajj's blades, rather than just stopping them directly.

However, contrary to what I just said, he does use telekinesis to yank her weapons from her hands and then bisects them with his sabre. Evidently it is possible.

I don't think it would be hard for Palpatine to TK Anakin. After all, Obi Wan, who was more of a swordfighter than TK-er, used TK to block Anakin, with equal force. Both of them were roughly equal - YET, TK users like Palpatine or Dooku were seen to easily throw Jedi. Dooku threw Obi-Wan like a kittie cat, and Palpatine not only used lightning, but he TK'ed Yoda across the room and against the wall - a user apparently as powerful as himself, and as experienced.

Anakin did not have as much experience and control. So I guess raw power wouldn't have helped, Palpatine would easily deal with this problem.

I'm not questioning that he could outdo Anakin in Telekinesis (this is indeed, shown in the novel, when Vader tries to crush everything around him but fails to harm the Emperor) or otherwise defeat him, but that we can garuntee he'd do it before Anakin made the thirty degree wrist-flick required to sear Palpatine's neck open. I don't think it's a certain victory for either of them, at least until Palpatine manages to get some distance between them and compose himself.

I don't doubt that Palpatine has the potential to destroy Anakin, but whether or not he'd be quick enough off the mark when things didn't start going his way is something I think can't be decided.

Crazedwraith wrote:Who says he needs to TK the saber? Just throw Anakin across the room. Simple force push.

Given that in the OTL he allows Anakin to put a saber practically at his throat, he needs to somehow stop Anakin just pushing the saber into his windpipe, an action that'd take Anakin a tiny fraction of a second. Are we certain he can act more quickly than Anakin can twitch his wrist to the side?

Say Anakin resolves to just kill him at that moment, when Palpatine looks like he's happily having a quiet orgasm at Anakin's anger, do we know he's perfectly accurate in predicting his enemy's moves? Given that Yoda catches him off guard, twice later on while he's gloating, I don't think it's possible to say for certain that Palpatine's quick enough to prevent such a thing.

I also don't necesserily think he isn't, but rather, that it's up in the air.

Even if he does smack Anakin about, or zap him, there's still a chance that he could be wounded, simply by being an unarmed man in an enclosed space fighting someone with a lightsaber...

Even if he does smack Anakin about, or zap him, there's still a chance that he could be wounded, simply by being an unarmed man in an enclosed space fighting someone with a lightsaber...

Might be, though I'd say the balance is slightly in his favour since the space is large enough and his TK is quite good. If he correctly predicted initial moves and acted properly, he can push Anakin into the cabinet and break the glass, then he flies into the abyss.

Abyss? I would've assumed they were in the connecting corridor with the sith/jedi battle reliefs in it.

And then there's the facts that

A), a death of that importance will almost certainly attract the attention of the Jedi Council, including Mace Windu.

B), without the slight distraction provided by Windu having his arm cut off, Mace will proceed to wipe the floor with Palpatine, just like in ROTS.

Master_Baerne wrote:B), without the slight distraction provided by Windu having his arm cut off, Mace will proceed to wipe the floor with Palpatine, just like in ROTS.

Perhaps we should not be having that argument again?

I'm not very knowledgeable about some Force abilities, but I have a question. What if Palpy was ready for Anakin to flick his wrist and decapitate him, and was ready to TK the shit out of Anakin in some way. Would Anakin be able to sense Palpy "tensing" his Force powers?

If Anakin picked up on that, then certainly that would mess with the trust he had in Palpatine. And then he wouldn't be very inclined to become a Sith, I would think.

My point is that if Anakin could pick up on the "tensing", then it might ruin Palpy's plans, and so he wouldn't be able to be on his toes and ready to defend himself. So if Palpy wants the plan to work as intended, he has to leave himself at Anakin's mercy, right?

That's what I'd've thought.

NecronLord wrote:

Master_Baerne wrote:B), without the slight distraction provided by Windu having his arm cut off, Mace will proceed to wipe the floor with Palpatine, just like in ROTS.

Perhaps we should not be having that argument again?

I was unaware that there was an argument. Forget I said that.

Master_Baerne wrote:And then there's the facts that

A), a death of that importance will almost certainly attract the attention of the Jedi Council, including Mace Windu.

B), without the slight distraction provided by Windu having his arm cut off, Mace will proceed to wipe the floor with Palpatine, just like in ROTS.

I thought we were discussing what would happen if Anakin chose to kill Palpatine himself, instead of going to the Jedi Council and saying, "Palpatine is a Sith Lord"?

Anyways, if Anakin killed Palpatine, he'll have to explain his actions to the Council, and Mace might go, "You have no evidence to prove Palpatine was a Sith Lord! You might've killed an innocent man! You are hearby expelled from the Jedi Order!"

Afterwards... I dunno... do you think Anakin will say, "Fuck the Order! I quit!" or "How dare you punish me for doing the right thing, you hypocrit!" and attack Mace?

Sidewinder wrote:Anyways, if Anakin killed Palpatine, he'll have to explain his actions to the Council, and Mace might go, "You have no evidence to prove Palpatine was a Sith Lord! You might've killed an innocent man! You are hearby expelled from the Jedi Order!"

Considering how Windu was already prepared to overthrough Palpatine, and Anakin's status as a war hero, it seems more likley that Windu would quietly hush up Anakin's involvement, and proceed to take over the Senate, as he had planed, to 'restore order'. Even if he didn't belive Anakin (unlikley: consider that in the OTL he basicly set the ball rolling on his coup, by aresting Palpatine, on only Anakn's say-so), he would in the very least consider the political impact of a famous Jedi assassinating the beloved Supreme Chancellor.

The Jedi would likely find tons of evidence if given time to hunt through Palpatine's things. Whether anyone would believe that evidence is another matter...