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Honestly I like it better than the Incredible Cross Sections version, although the bubble on the turret is a little silly. I suppose this is an early model, so the ICS version is still valid as a later model.

It'd look better as a separate design. Why would anyone build a fighter with a mostly hollow hull?

Call me crazy, but maybe the extra volume is used for something and the Rebels (or the civilian/surplus/broken planes they had) don't have those features? Their craft were always described as 'stripped down', after all.

There was a picture in the ICS with a fully faired Y-wing, it was nothing like that; it just had the panelling you would expect to cover the hull.

For your reference, the ICS.

Hmm. I don't like the ICS one (pretty unimaginative gluing on of fibreglass), but I guess the new one is way to fat at the back, especially the FAST pack added on the shoulders. I'd forgotten how skinny the rear of Y-wings was in ANH.

I can't imagine what all that extra volume would be used for, except shitloads of fuel.

I was thinking of some sort of missile launcher installed on the sides of the inner neck, perhaps. The ordnance which loads to it probably need some sort of fuselage or armour.

If the original fighter was really that much bigger, you have to wonder how much the Rebels compromised its structural integrity. You don't just cut into a vehicle's frame without consequences.

That's why I prefer the ICS version; it's strange, but not unreasonable, that the Rebels would just leave off cosmetic covers. Cutting out systems and modifying the hull itself is a lot more drastic.

Yeah, now that I realise just how much larger the rear section is, it's less attractive as a design. I like the idea of Macross-style FAST packs though.

The volume seems too large to just be fuel and warheads, when you consider B-wings are supposed to be chockers with warheads too.

Bounty wrote:If the original fighter was really that much bigger, you have to wonder how much the Rebels compromised its structural integrity. You don't just cut into a vehicle's frame without consequences.

Only if the frame is monocoque or semi-monocoque in construction, I guess. But if the Y-wing is airworthy without the coverings, it would seems that they are just non-load bearing fairings, not a primary structure.

But if the Y-wing is airworthy without the coverings, it would seems that they are just non-load bearing fairings, not a primary structure.

As I said, that works fine for the ICS-style covers, but not for the Y-wing in the new drawing. If that one carried fuel or ammo in the extended fairings, they would have to have some sort of load-bearing structure underneath, one that got cut away when the Rebels stripped the design.

Stark wrote:
The volume seems too large to just be fuel and warheads, when you consider B-wings are supposed to be chockers with warheads too.

You seen the ICS drawing of the B-Wing? It's actually not bad. Clearly straining, but they did fit them in there. They just kept the warheads and dumped the rear section. I don't know how that works.

I haven't bought the Complete ICS, too expensive when all you're getting is the A-Wing, B-Wing, TIE Bomber, TIE Interceptor and the Lambda shuttle (IIRC).

No Medical Frigate, no Rebel Star Cruiser? Fuck them.

And not written by Saxton or advised by him either.

Looks better than the ICS IMO. Starks initial reaction before all his back peddling , is correct. The ICS version is very unimaginative.
I think the new model makes more sense as well. IIRC the reason for the naked Y-Wing was ease of access. Taking off the covers on the ICS version wouldn't be more then a few bolts per panel, but the new model would certainly be a pain in the ass, and I can see why they would want to keep them off.

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This is what the page says:

In Star Wars: The Clone Wars, fans will see design elements that bridge the entire saga, like this early Republic version of the classic Y-wing fighter that appears in the series.

So why does it have to be exactly the same? It states it's an 'early Republic version' of the Y-Wing, so it could have been redesigned easily.

i like it, even with being more bulky it looks a lot sleeker. makes the rebel's version look like they were pulled from junk yards and had the bare essentials slapped back together.

before the prequels, weren't the y-wings supposed to have been the top dog fighter/bomber of the clone wars?

Who cares what unimaginative idiots said about the Y-wing 20 years ago?

Maybe they stripped the rear equipment back for maintenance: I believe that was the explanation from the novelisations. Perhaps the rear section contained the more complex, maintenance heavy stuff, and they removed it or swapped it for 'off the shelf' parts. This might be why rebel Y-wings sucked so much and didn't actually seem to be very 'bomber' at all - the rebels stripped all that stuff out, leaving just an average fighter. Yay, now we can retcon all that stupid 'Y-wings drop gravity bombs on planetary targets' crap to the original design!

The picture is ambiguous, but if the rear section is only as high as the engines, with some kind of module on the top, that's fine with me. The actual proper turret gets points, too, although some people see a bubble dome where I just see a turret ring with two guns, like Tantive 4's. Now they just need to design a similar X-wing with an equipment module of some kind over the exposed crap behind the R2 unit! FAST packs a gogo!

The bulky Y-wing drawing actually seems to be an earlier model-- the turret goes from a manned dome turret, a la B-17 style, to a smaller, lower profile automated turret. The bulky side panels? Re-designed later to be more sleek. Design evolution.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:And not written by Saxton or advised by him either.

That doesn't bother me that much - Dr D W Reynolds' work was for the most part pretty good too, and of course the artists are very talented.

I like the new design; whether it's supposed to be how the Y-Wings originally looked or a related earlier type, it fits in well with the sleek craft that the Republic navy fielded during the Clone War.

I always thought the "original" covered Y-Wing was really boring, just some panels slapped onto the movie version.

I've worked out why I thought the fuselage was thin: the perspective on the FAST pack is totally broken. It sits between the two small 'intakes' on the fuselage, and it's lined up with the R2 unit and is thus centred. However, it appears very tall on the near side (and the fuselage thus appears thicker than the near nacelle) but on the far side appears to be very low, and the nacelle appears thicker than the fuselage.

And maybe the nacelles aren't just covered all the way down: maybe in this model the engine actually uses the entire length, so that it's not just a retarded 'lol we made the engine 3 times longer than it needs to be for teh coolz' thing.

Vympel wrote:I can't imagine what all that extra volume would be used for, except shitloads of fuel.

ordnance.

Connor MacLeod wrote:
ordnance.

There'd have to be extra launch tubes for that, which aren't evident - maybe there's some on the underside but I bet you we won't see any tubes for torpedoes or bays for bombs when the show hits.

Further, I just can't see the Rebellion getting rid of what appears to be enough volume for two extra sets of torpedo tubes and lots of proton torpedoes or bombs.

Vympel wrote:

Connor MacLeod wrote:
ordnance.

There'd have to be extra launch tubes for that, which aren't evident - maybe there's some on the underside but I bet you we won't see any tubes for torpedoes or bays for bombs when the show hits.

Further, I just can't see the Rebellion getting rid of what appears to be enough volume for two extra sets of torpedo tubes and lots of proton torpedoes or bombs.

Why not, if A) they can't afford to keep it operational and B) it makes maintenance to the ship hell.
Perhaps it could just be magazines or be some sort of feeder system, that was over designed.